[opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"
indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't That's why houghi (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list. And apparently, there are more users willing to have this set back.
On 2006-08-11 15:52, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
thunderbird doesn't Kevin -- _ | Kevin Ivory | Tel: +49-551-3700000 |_ |\ | | Service Network GmbH | Fax: +49-551-3700009 ._|ER | \|ET | Bahnhofsallee 1b | mailto:Ivory@SerNet.de Service Network | 37081 Goettingen | http://www.SerNet.de/
Am Freitag, 11. August 2006 15:54 schrieb Kevin Ivory:
thunderbird doesn't
On 2006-08-11 15:57, Stefan Bogner wrote:
been there, done that. I have mail redirect 0.7.4 installed. That tool is for bouncing mails, not for "reply to list". I use it regularly. Kevin -- _ | Kevin Ivory | Tel: +49-551-3700000 |_ |\ | | Service Network GmbH | Fax: +49-551-3700009 ._|ER | \|ET | Bahnhofsallee 1b | mailto:Ivory@SerNet.de Service Network | 37081 Goettingen | http://www.SerNet.de/
* Kevin Ivory <Ivory@SerNet.de> [08-11-06 09:55]:
thunderbird doesn't
hummm, broken client. Adjust or change! OR, advise thunderbird developers *they* need to change. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
may I say that: * this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists * the correct use with all mozilla mailers is to clic on "reply to all" and delete the sender adress (let only the list one) it's in fact very regretfull that mozilla don't implement a reply to list similar with the kmail one (simply manually setup, so no header magic needed) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote:
* this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists
And that means it should forever be that way? I think it is a very bad way to do it. The fact that everybody else is doing something does not mean it is the right way.
Now isn't that a silly way to do it?
It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list. -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself "*The Blue Screen of Death*".
Hi,
Answers on you mail you always get twice and if I send an answer back to the list I have to use "reply-all" instead of the standard "reply"-button (and often I click on it automaticly) and then I have to delete all private e-mail-addresses because I only want to reply to the group not to a single member! This is not a good setup :-( -- Chau y hasta luego, Thorolf
Hi, On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 18:37:12, houghi wrote:
As ml-admin i have seen plenty requests to change this. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
If I would be a spammer I would bug you every day from different email addresses, with many reasons to change that unacceptable configuration until you change it ;-) -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE
Hi, On Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 06:24:21, Rajko M wrote:
What has the reply-to fiel to do with spam? I dont get what you are implying. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Complains here are about Reply To field, but the list server configuration is actually the problem. With present configuration where private addresses are sent out with mails to all subscribers, one harvester needs only to subscribe and wait. All addresses are real as otherwise subscription will not work. Taking how much effort they put in harvesting, (mis)using mail lists is for sure one of the methods. BTW, I have no experience with other lists, but I guess that they do the same. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE
Rajko M a écrit :
Complains here are about Reply To field, but the list server configuration is actually the problem.
Rjko, you are actually highjacking a thread :-) There is a very long thread on an other list on this very subject :-) but let's try to find an answer :-)
With present configuration where private addresses are sent out with mails to all subscribers
this is mandatory in the RFC for mails. if not the mail would be anonymous, not a good practice the archives are an other problem. Henne, if you read this, one thing that can be done and is done on my LUG http://www.culte.org/listes/archivage.html two things are proposed: * use of an "X-No-Archive: yes" header that makes your mail not to be archived at all * Its possible on this list to ask to have the adress masked (in the archives only) by a mail to the list server. I don't know of the system used, but I could give you privately the mail of the list owner, a very brilliant Linux practician (Eric Marsden). jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Hi, On Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 18:26:18, jdd wrote:
You can do that. Our archiving system honors this header but..
* Its possible on this list to ask to have the adress masked (in the archives only)
... all email addresses are already obfuscated in our archive by stripping the domain part (replacing it by xxxxxx). Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
this is nice
this is _not_ nice. it makes it impossible to join the author of the mail jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jdd wrote:
Email addresses on public mailing-list archives are the biggest help for spammers. There is no way those emails should _not_ be obfuscated. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3kBTr3NMWliFcXcRAh+GAKC+xN5QeAqGll7tyWfmXaHN8V5VsQCeNN4J mLwhOxGSpARNFyLwauu0Kvc= =muKM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Pascal Bleser a écrit :
Email addresses on public mailing-list archives are the biggest help for spammers. There is no way those emails should _not_ be obfuscated.
I subscribe many lists with no obfuscation and survive :-). I appreciate returns from archives readers. and this could be human readable... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [08-12-06 16:52]:
this is _not_ nice. it makes it impossible to join the author of the mail
depends.... I use mutt and lbdb. If a person has sent mail to a list where I'm subscribed and I have received it, I can lookup that person's name and get his email addr. 16:59 wahoo:~ > lbdbq jdd lbdbq: 2 matches jdanield@free.fr jdd sur free jdd@dodin.org jdd :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
lookup in what? does this mean you store locally all the mails of the list? anyway it's mostly usefull for people not subscribed to the list jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
* jdd <jdd@dodin.org> [08-13-06 03:37]:
lookup in what? does this mean you store locally all the mails of the list?
no, only their addresses 08:42 wahoo:~ > rpm -qi lbdb Name : lbdb Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.30 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 11 Build Date: Sat 22 Apr 2006 11:03:30 PM EDT Install Date: Thu 06 Jul 2006 11:08:37 AM EDT Build Host: crumb.suse.de Group : Productivity/Networking/Email/Utilities Source RPM: lbdb-0.30-11.src.rpm Size : 164103 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 22 Apr 2006 11:21:35 PM EDT, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org URL : http://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb/ Summary : Address Database for mutt Description : The Little Brother's Database (lbdb) consists of a set of small tools that collect mail addresses from several sources and offer these addresses to the external query feature of the Mutt mail reader. To use the fetch address feature, put the following lines in your .procmailrc: :0hc | lbdb-fetchaddr To use the database in mutt, put the following line into your .muttrc: set query_command="lbdbq %s" -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 01:00:17PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Darn, and another one send to just one person. Please if you see mails that are send only to you and it is not specificaly stated that it should have been private, be so good and forward it to the list. -- houghi Please to not toppost http://houghi.org
You tried, and you failed, so the lesson is, never try. - Homer J. Simpson.
On 06/08/11 10:39 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan apparently typed:
* Kevin Ivory <Ivory@SerNet.de> [08-11-06 09:55]:
thunderbird doesn't
hummm, broken client. Adjust or change!
OR, advise thunderbird developers *they* need to change.
They recent provided the back end that allows an extension to provide the function to those who wish it. I don't understand why they think it shouldn't be a basic included function, but since TB is open source, you're free to submit a patch to change it, and hope for approval. In the meantime, trust that most people are not going to select a MUA based upon the preferences of mailing list admins. One reason people choose TB is that it is cross platform - no learning of multiple MUA nuances for those who use multiple operating systems for email. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
On 06/08/11 15:52 (GMT+0200) Henne Vogelsang apparently typed:
Which mailer does not support it?
The more popular cross-platform ones mostly don't: Mozilla SeaMonkey Thunderbird (extension available to alter this) AFAIK, the most common ones don't: M$ Outhouse M$ Outbreak Excess Lest we forget, not all subscribers are always in a position to use Linux for participating in list discussion. Those not in such position commonly stick to cross-platform or non-Linux software for handling their email. -- "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 03:18:50PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
A question to the lists maintainer: Will the lists change back to their previous behaviour or not? -- houghi Do not toppost http://houghi.org Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. -- Tron (1982)
Hi, On Sunday, August 13, 2006 at 15:43:06, houghi wrote:
From the state of the discussion right now i say no.
Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 04:28:16PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
OK. Will unsubscribe then so not to bother people with personal mails I intended for the group. -- houghi Do not toppost http://houghi.org Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. -- Tron (1982)
On 2006-08-11 15:52, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
thunderbird doesn't Kevin -- _ | Kevin Ivory | Tel: +49-551-3700000 |_ |\ | | Service Network GmbH | Fax: +49-551-3700009 ._|ER | \|ET | Bahnhofsallee 1b | mailto:Ivory@SerNet.de Service Network | 37081 Goettingen | http://www.SerNet.de/
Am Freitag, 11. August 2006 15:54 schrieb Kevin Ivory:
thunderbird doesn't
On 2006-08-11 15:57, Stefan Bogner wrote:
been there, done that. I have mail redirect 0.7.4 installed. That tool is for bouncing mails, not for "reply to list". I use it regularly. Kevin -- _ | Kevin Ivory | Tel: +49-551-3700000 |_ |\ | | Service Network GmbH | Fax: +49-551-3700009 ._|ER | \|ET | Bahnhofsallee 1b | mailto:Ivory@SerNet.de Service Network | 37081 Goettingen | http://www.SerNet.de/
* Kevin Ivory <Ivory@SerNet.de> [08-11-06 09:55]:
thunderbird doesn't
hummm, broken client. Adjust or change! OR, advise thunderbird developers *they* need to change. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
may I say that: * this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists * the correct use with all mozilla mailers is to clic on "reply to all" and delete the sender adress (let only the list one) it's in fact very regretfull that mozilla don't implement a reply to list similar with the kmail one (simply manually setup, so no header magic needed) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
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Thorolf Godawa