Hi, On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 15:18:50, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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William Gallafent 11-08-2006 16:10 >>> On Friday 11 August 2006 13:53, houghi wrote:

Just noticed that the "Reply-to" is now pointed to the sender. Could this be adjusted so it is send to the list as it was before?

As far as I can see, there is no "Reply-To" header, in either your message or Henne's.

indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't That's why houghi (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list.

Which mailer does not support it? kmail does evolution does mutt does pine does Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)

Am Freitag, 11. August 2006 15:54 schrieb Kevin Ivory:

thunderbird doesn't

http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/ Stefan

* Kevin Ivory [08-11-06 09:55]:

thunderbird doesn't

hummm, broken client. Adjust or change! OR, advise thunderbird developers *they* need to change. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Kevin Ivory [08-11-06 09:55]:

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thunderbird doesn't

hummm, broken client. Adjust or change!

OR, advise thunderbird developers *they* need to change.

may I say that: * this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists * the correct use with all mozilla mailers is to clic on "reply to all" and delete the sender adress (let only the list one) it's in fact very regretfull that mozilla don't implement a reply to list similar with the kmail one (simply manually setup, so no header magic needed) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote:

* this setup is the one of suse-linux-e for years now, and that of most linux related lists

And that means it should forever be that way? I think it is a very bad way to do it. The fact that everybody else is doing something does not mean it is the right way.

* the correct use with all mozilla mailers is to clic on "reply to all" and delete the sender adress (let only the list one)

Now isn't that a silly way to do it?

it's in fact very regretfull that mozilla don't implement a reply to list similar with the kmail one (simply manually setup, so no header magic needed)

It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list. -- houghi Please to not toppost The blue light suddenly flashed on my horrified face. What a disaster! Oh, the humanity! I never thought it would happen to me. How terrifying it is to see for yourself "*The Blue Screen of Death*".

Hi, On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 18:37:12, houghi wrote:

On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote:

It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list.

As ml-admin i have seen plenty requests to change this. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway

Hi, On Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 06:24:21, Rajko M wrote:

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 18:37:12, houghi wrote:

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote:

It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list.

As ml-admin i have seen plenty requests to change this.

If I would be a spammer I would bug you every day from different email addresses, with many reasons to change that unacceptable configuration until you change it ;-)

What has the reply-to fiel to do with spam? I dont get what you are implying. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 06:24:21, Rajko M wrote:

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Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 18:37:12, houghi wrote:

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 05:15:49PM +0200, jdd wrote:

It is regretable that the list does not wor as before. I have not seen any complaints that the reply was send default to the list. As ml-admin i have seen plenty requests to change this. If I would be a spammer I would bug you every day from different email addresses, with many reasons to change that unacceptable configuration until you change it ;-)

What has the reply-to fiel to do with spam? I dont get what you are implying.

Henne

Complains here are about Reply To field, but the list server configuration is actually the problem. With present configuration where private addresses are sent out with mails to all subscribers, one harvester needs only to subscribe and wait. All addresses are real as otherwise subscription will not work. Taking how much effort they put in harvesting, (mis)using mail lists is for sure one of the methods. BTW, I have no experience with other lists, but I guess that they do the same. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE

Hi, On Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 18:26:18, jdd wrote:

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With present configuration where private addresses are sent out with mails to all subscribers

this is mandatory in the RFC for mails. if not the mail would be anonymous, not a good practice

the archives are an other problem.

Henne, if you read this, one thing that can be done and is done on my LUG http://www.culte.org/listes/archivage.html

two things are proposed:

* use of an "X-No-Archive: yes" header that makes your mail not to be archived at all

You can do that. Our archiving system honors this header but..

* Its possible on this list to ask to have the adress masked (in the archives only)

... all email addresses are already obfuscated in our archive by stripping the domain part (replacing it by xxxxxx). Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway

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Henne Vogelsang a écrit :

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* Its possible on this list to ask to have the adress masked (in the archives only)

... all email addresses are already obfuscated in our archive by stripping the domain part (replacing it by xxxxxx).

this is _not_ nice. it makes it impossible to join the author of the mail

Email addresses on public mailing-list archives are the biggest help for spammers. There is no way those emails should _not_ be obfuscated. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3kBTr3NMWliFcXcRAh+GAKC+xN5QeAqGll7tyWfmXaHN8V5VsQCeNN4J mLwhOxGSpARNFyLwauu0Kvc= =muKM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Pascal Bleser a écrit :

Email addresses on public mailing-list archives are the biggest help for spammers. There is no way those emails should _not_ be obfuscated.

I subscribe many lists with no obfuscation and survive :-). I appreciate returns from archives readers. and this could be human readable... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

* jdd [08-13-06 03:37]:

lookup in what? does this mean you store locally all the mails of the list?

no, only their addresses 08:42 wahoo:~ > rpm -qi lbdb Name : lbdb Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.30 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 11 Build Date: Sat 22 Apr 2006 11:03:30 PM EDT Install Date: Thu 06 Jul 2006 11:08:37 AM EDT Build Host: crumb.suse.de Group : Productivity/Networking/Email/Utilities Source RPM: lbdb-0.30-11.src.rpm Size : 164103 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 22 Apr 2006 11:21:35 PM EDT, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org URL : http://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb/ Summary : Address Database for mutt Description : The Little Brother's Database (lbdb) consists of a set of small tools that collect mail addresses from several sources and offer these addresses to the external query feature of the Mutt mail reader. To use the fetch address feature, put the following lines in your .procmailrc: :0hc | lbdb-fetchaddr To use the database in mutt, put the following line into your .muttrc: set query_command="lbdbq %s" -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Hi, On Sunday, August 13, 2006 at 15:43:06, houghi wrote:

On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 03:18:50PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't That's why houghi (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list.

And apparently, there are more users willing to have this set back.

A question to the lists maintainer: Will the lists change back to their previous behaviour or not?

From the state of the discussion right now i say no.

Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway