On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:12 AM, oldcpu
On 05/27/2013 10:39 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
What this poll is not considering: I still don't see any lxde maintenance. So lxde will drop from DVD in any case
Greetings, Stephan
One could argue that the poll does not consider many things. But to have a poll, and state lxde is being dropped in any case, does give pause as to why would a community initiated desktop be dropped, without first asking for the community to step up and support, BEFORE such 'in any case' observations ? Or did I miss the community wide request for support that was recently made on LXDE ? Or is the 'in any case' only one user's observation and not the actual case yet ?
More observations on the LXDE topic ...
A suggestion (?) was made about tfm in a previous user's post (for those who want a light weight desktop), but my experience is tfm requires a lot more TLC and polish (still keeping it lightweight) before it can become an average user's light weight desktop for openSUSE. Its desktop default wall paper background is not consistent with the openSUSE theme. Neither are the windows one opens consistent. A menu for applications has not been properly setup. Some effort creating a default .twrc configuration file, tuned to the openSUSE theme with some window pixmaps installed and called, plus one or two tutorials for openSUSE with tfm use could IMHO turn tfm into something viable that openSUSE users would accept. But as it stands now tfm is not viable and the suggestion to use 'tfm' provided in another post in this thread misses IMHO the balance needed in a light weight desktop.
I believe that many of us view the 'gap' that LXDE fills, is a light weight desktop gap just a well positioned functional slightly heavier performance cut above tfm, and significantly lighter than KDE/Gnome (and arguably lighter than E17). And, on the light side, contrary to tfm, lxde has been tuned with an openSUSE theme.
Still the point about LXDE not being maintained, and if no volunteers to maintain, is very valid IMHO. But first, don't we owe it to the community to ask for community support before decisions to drop are made ?
wrt using E17, my view as a heavy LXDE user who dabbled in E17, is I am NOT enamoured with E17 and I am also concerned E17 stands on a slippery slope that will result in it growing 'more fat' and it will quickly slide away from a user's light weight desktop needs. Given the E17 current weight/performance for what I see being lost (in terms of its relative weight/performance), and given the statements on LXDE being dropped regardless, I can't see the poll being a balanced poll. And I fear the community is being cut out by a bias in both the wording of the poll and the background in which LXDE is being considered.
I would prefer to see a balanced community solicitation for LXDE support prior to decisions being made, and a poll that is balanced that reflects true viable choices.
Lee aka oldcpu
Lee, There are various levels of being in the opensuse distribution: - in OBS as a home project (a dev's personal space) - in OBS in a devel project (more formal, but not reviewed by the release team) - in factory / the main repos (All updates reviewed by the release team) Then from factory and the main repos, boot/install media are created. The discussion that I have seen revolves solely around dropping LXDE from the installable DVD media, the phrasing of your email implies the discussion is about dropping it from factory. At worst, if LXDE is dropped from the DVD, a text only install could be performed, and then LXDE installed via the Internet as a follow on step. That, or similar, is what I assume E17 users have to do now. fyi: I like to have KDE available as an option even on servers, so I typically do a KDE install from DVD, then change the default boot level to 3. If I also want E17 and/or LXDE I would do it as post install upgrade from the main repos, so I simply don't care which is on the DVD and thus I haven't voted in the poll. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org