On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:12 AM, oldcpu <oldcpu(a)opensuse-forums.org> wrote:
On 05/27/2013 10:39 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
What this poll is not considering: I still don't see any lxde
maintenance. So lxde will drop from DVD in any case
One could argue that the poll does not consider many things. But to have a
poll, and state lxde is being dropped in any case, does give pause as to why
would a community initiated desktop be dropped, without first asking for the
community to step up and support, BEFORE such 'in any case' observations ?
Or did I miss the community wide request for support that was recently made
on LXDE ? Or is the 'in any case' only one user's observation and not the
actual case yet ?
More observations on the LXDE topic ...
A suggestion (?) was made about tfm in a previous user's post (for those who
want a light weight desktop), but my experience is tfm requires a lot more
TLC and polish (still keeping it lightweight) before it can become an
average user's light weight desktop for openSUSE. Its desktop default wall
paper background is not consistent with the openSUSE theme. Neither are the
windows one opens consistent. A menu for applications has not been properly
setup. Some effort creating a default .twrc configuration file, tuned to
the openSUSE theme with some window pixmaps installed and called, plus one
or two tutorials for openSUSE with tfm use could IMHO turn tfm into
something viable that openSUSE users would accept. But as it stands now tfm
is not viable and the suggestion to use 'tfm' provided in another post in
this thread misses IMHO the balance needed in a light weight desktop.
I believe that many of us view the 'gap' that LXDE fills, is a light weight
desktop gap just a well positioned functional slightly heavier performance
cut above tfm, and significantly lighter than KDE/Gnome (and arguably
lighter than E17). And, on the light side, contrary to tfm, lxde has been
tuned with an openSUSE theme.
Still the point about LXDE not being maintained, and if no volunteers to
maintain, is very valid IMHO. But first, don't we owe it to the community to
ask for community support before decisions to drop are made ?
wrt using E17, my view as a heavy LXDE user who dabbled in E17, is I am NOT
enamoured with E17 and I am also concerned E17 stands on a slippery slope
that will result in it growing 'more fat' and it will quickly slide away
from a user's light weight desktop needs. Given the E17 current
weight/performance for what I see being lost (in terms of its relative
weight/performance), and given the statements on LXDE being dropped
regardless, I can't see the poll being a balanced poll. And I fear the
community is being cut out by a bias in both the wording of the poll and the
background in which LXDE is being considered.
I would prefer to see a balanced community solicitation for LXDE support
prior to decisions being made, and a poll that is balanced that reflects
true viable choices.
There are various levels of being in the opensuse distribution:
- in OBS as a home project (a dev's personal space)
- in OBS in a devel project (more formal, but not reviewed by the release team)
- in factory / the main repos (All updates reviewed by the release team)
Then from factory and the main repos, boot/install media are created.
The discussion that I have seen revolves solely around dropping LXDE
from the installable DVD media, the phrasing of your email implies the
discussion is about dropping it from factory.
At worst, if LXDE is dropped from the DVD, a text only install could
be performed, and then LXDE installed via the Internet as a follow on
That, or similar, is what I assume E17 users have to do now.
fyi: I like to have KDE available as an option even on servers, so I
typically do a KDE install from DVD, then change the default boot
level to 3. If I also want E17 and/or LXDE I would do it as post
install upgrade from the main repos, so I simply don't care which is
on the DVD and thus I haven't voted in the poll.
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