Amen to plasma update...yikes. Although not really a Tumbleweed
packaging issue so much as kde can't seem to resist breaking the same
things it broke in the initial 4.x releases all over again. It it
doesn't work don't push it, but oh well.
I also seem to lose certain kde settings after updates. I haven't been
able to produce a pattern, but I just noticed my compositor lost
opengl setting on was on xrender (I looked after noticing tearing and
the lack of wobbly windows ;)).
Also have a crash every time I logout (kde error handler pops up) just
recently, figured I'd wait for an update to see what happens.
Overall thought, I haven't seen system breaking issues, but I can
understand the concern.
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Jimmy
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Bruce Ferrell
opensuse has been serious decline for some time. I'd say it's now full blown amateur hour, except rank amateurs do better work
Some silent update occurred for me today removing network manager (which I never liked) replaced by wicked without migrating the existing configuration.
We won't even discuss what the plasma upgrade did to my kde setup
On 08/04/2015 05:39 PM, gargamel704 wrote:
I have no idea why you try to lecture me. I never claimed that! Pls spare me such stupid discussions/lectures. Thx.
I also cannot see why you classify my report as troll-speak. It is my experience. I only started this whole discussion because I have seen a decline of stability to the point where I cannot safely upgrade anymore (I tried it!).
I just wanted to know if this is a result of some things that have maybe not been resolved during the significant transitions (plasma 5 and gcc 5.1) that TW underwent in the last couple of months.
To emphasize again: I don't need any lectures here. This is an honest request. I am genuinely interested in the deeper reasons (if there are any) for the perceived stability drop.
If no reasons can be found, then that's also fine with me. Then the problem is that my system apparently cannot work with TW anymore and I'll be forced to switch, which would be unfortunate but then it can't be helped. ;)
Am 05.08.2015 um 02:12 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* gargamel704
[08-04-15 20:06]: I didn't mean to "disparage" what you wrote. In any case: I really do think that open source contribution deserves praise, no matter what.
I just think openSUSE is one of the most important distros around and its rolling release lacks stability lately. That it works for you is great, but stability is not defined by the cases that work.
No offense.
Am 05.08.2015 um 01:48 schrieb Carl Symons:
On 08/04/2015 04:14 PM, gargamel704 wrote:
I can understand you desire to praise the TW team, but the listed issues are not smth I made up for the fun of it. Reporting my experience, just like you did. Your reply shows a fundamental misunderstanding of my motivation. There is no benefit in disparaging what I wrote.
Carl
Eg the UEFI issue is currently tracked in bugzilla, however without any visible progress.
Best regards
Am 05.08.2015 um 01:00 schrieb Carl: > On 2015-08-04 14:31, gargamel704 wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I noticed a significant drop in Tumbleweed lately, such as >> >> * unstable system (newly installed) >> * frequent (compared to the state some months ago) dependency >> issues in >> packages >> * broken UEFI support in the latest snapshots which together with the >> first bullet point effectively locks me on an outdated version. >> >> Has this something to do with the holiday season? Currently Tumbleweed >> has for me at least crossed the line (of being enough stable to be >> used >> for serious work). >> >> I'd hate to either switch back to old 13.2 or Debian Testing but I >> really think quality needs to improve. >> >> Cheers > Tumbleweed is working great here. I have experienced none of the > issues listed. > > Curious about what's happening with LibreOffice 5, and anticipating an > update soon. However, the Tumbleweed update has been so reliable that > I've given up hoping that "today's the day"; it'll happen when it > does, when QA says "ship it". > > Thanks to whoever and whatever is making things work so well. > > Carl But stability is also not *only* defined very few announced cases where it does not work, Tit-for-Tat!
Stability *is* defined by working *and* non-working cases. What else would you use to measure it?
I have used Tw for several years now w/o major problems. All software has problems, but openSUSE has few. You must also remember that those encountering problems, perceived or real make much more noise that those who do not.
This is beginning to resemble troll-talk!
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