* Hans Witvliet
Perhaps i should enter it as a requested enhancement ;-)
When wanting a bare minimal system, (by selecting text-mode only) i expect a real-minimum, however....
We had this discussion on opensuse-factory before ;-) Real-minimum means something different to everyone you're asking. I'd like to encourage all of you to continue the pattern discussion and help finding building blocks.
a) nice be not requested: like tcpdump. This is something a often select, but it should be included into the catagorie of "power-tools for experienced users", not default.
Which is probably still to coarse - "tcp/ip network debugging" is probably more appropriate.
b) not wanted. If i want printing, i will select them: cups, cups-drivers, cups-libs, gutenberg, yats2-print should belong to a sub-thread....
Which set of packages are _really_ needed for printing ?
c) waste of time/disk space hardware scan should know what kind of hardware there is. Why of why is yast2-scanner, yast2-irda, xfs-tools, dos-stuff installed????
Thats part of the default install on purpose - have all configuration tools present which pull in additional packages. Its a usability compromise.
My MOBO does not have a sound-card: so why do i get alsa? (new sound-thread)
So we need a sound pattern, with which packages ?
Reasoning is this. Either if i select a packages manually, or it it gets installed by default, i have to claryfy its presence with an security officer. Same if its gets installed by default, i i decide to get rid of it.
One of the enhancements planned for the future is to document the "why?" of installed packages better. Pattern - if used as functional building blocks - can help here as they relate packages to functionalities.
I rather have it not installed unless the it is really needed,
'Really needed' is probably just glibc and bash - for a minimal chroot environment. It always depends what you want to do with the system, and thats different for everyone. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org