On 18 April 2017 at 16:45, Todd Rme
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Richard Brown
wrote: On 18 April 2017 at 16:28, Todd Rme
wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Tomas Chvatal
wrote: Hello all,
Given the latest thread about the desktop on our bellowed factory mailing list I would like to propose the following:
"Desktop selection dialogue won't have preselected any default value."
We already had an enormous discussion about this when the decision was made to select KDE as the default some years back. Please look at the mailing list discussions on the topic. If, after reading those discussion you have something to add, please explain what that is. But repeating the exact same arguments that were made when the decision was originally adopted isn't going to benefit anyone.
I think the argument that 'we made a decision in the past' is not a valid counter to Tomas' suggestion.
Things change, KDE has changed, GNOME has changed, the linux desktop ecosystem has changed, the Project in particular has changed dramatically.
When that decision was made we offered one distribution, with a key audience clearly being 'new linux users'. We are now a project that offers two distributions, clearly stateing our target audience is "SysAdmins, Developers, and Power Users".
I will reserve my opinion on this topic for now, because I want to join the conversation after others have had an opportunity to share their opinion.
But I will counter any suggestion that this is not a valid discussion. It is, and it should be encouraged and engaged with, not dismissed.
I didn't say it was a counter, I said that this discussion shouldn't just repeat the exact same arguments that were already made. If Thomas has something new to add to the discussion, that is fine. But repeating the exact same discussion over and over doesn't help anybody.
Okay, I do not intend to speak for Tomas, and to be frank I do not like the personal tone you're taking with this. I can think of some obvious 'new' things that have changed in the Linux desktop ecosystem in the last 8 years since the last discussion on this topic - KDE 5 Plasma was released - MeeGo was released and died - GNOME 3 was released - LXQt was released and added to openSUSE - MATE was released and added to openSUSE - Enlightenment was added to openSUSE - openSUSE went from offering 3 desktop environments to 7 - GNOME became the de-facto default in all major distributions besides openSUSE (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS) - GNOME became the default in all commercial linux distributions (RHEL, SLE, Ubuntu) - KDE stopped being the default in all of the top 25 Distrowatch distros except openSUSE and PCLinuxOS - openSUSE's KDE maintainers became a totally volunteer group - openSUSE went from a singular distribution targeting new users to two distributions aiming for a more technically savvy sysadmin/dev/power user audience Any one of the above facts would be new justification for Tomas to bring this topic up again. Instead I've been able to list 12 justifications without spending much time to think about it. Can we move on from the pointless, disrespectful debate as to whether or not Tomas is allowed to raise a topic, and actually discuss the topic? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org