Hello, I am answering only for the sake of making things clear for later readers of the list, the argument itself has reached its end.
Most of those the click and download apps already works with PHP5.
And of course you checked that personally. Everytime somebody talks about "most of", "all of" or the like you cannot really get an answer how he checked that.
So it is _not dead_.
yes it is, more or less.
more or less means some percentage between 0 and 100, depending on what you personally like to believe.
Why vote for removing something
this discussin came up during 10.1 development, so you are late. ;P
I am not late, I am trying to upgrade since some major releases and found it was time to tell you the removal-decision was plain wrong.
that is widespread, works for people and is maintained?
Our mission is to deliver a working system, that is manageable and does not cost gazillions of hours to developers.. developer time is a **limited** resource.
Then I have some great hint for you: immediately stop patching the kernel. I will never understand why we always have to replace the distro-kernels with vanilla kernel.org ones. This is really a useless timeconsumer.
using the same rationale..let's include 2 GNOMEs. 2apache versions.. Python 2.2 , 2,3 2.4 and 2.5 "just" for the apps that does not run in python 2.5... or well.. 3/4 GCC versions so people can compile broken code that does compile with GCC 4...
Sorry, you missed the real point. There is no big enduser-download "market" for python scripts or the like. People dealing with that should really know what they are doing. We are - as stated earlier - not talking about 3 own scripts we are too lazy to rewrite. We are talking about end users that download and use stuff from the net that they _don't_ really understand. They cannot code and they _don't want to_. All they want to do is use stuff they are using for years without problems.
that less than 5% of the php-scripts running on our servers work with PHP5.
Your numbers are wrong, most should work. you are doing something wrong in your configuration then, I have worked in real life,commercial, large PHP4->PHP5 migrations and Im sure that is wrong.
Really, I did not see you last week over here when we tried the migration. I really wonder how you are able to tell me something about data you never saw. Isn't that the root of the word pre-judice, judging something before seeing?
3) I am not really interested in what redhat or ubuntu do,
It matters in this particular situation what others have done..too se how others are managing certain parts of their **products** (even corporate distros are following the same approach..)
This is a classical statement for a tech person. From a management point of view you would say that only copying others (be it good or bad) cannot be successful because the others are always ahead of you. You have to fight for a position where the others are copying what you do, only then you are ahead and lead the market.
if I were I would probably use them. If opensuse only does what the others do, why does it exist then? Shouldn't it be _better_, more _comfortable_ or cover a bigger "market" ?
You are not understanding. this is about product managment, we cannot offer support for 2 years for a software that is actually having very small manteniance, with only critical or secuirty bugs fixed (and takes months to get a fixed version) and that will be officially abandoned ina few months. then people like you will post rants "how bad is the mantainance" or "bugs not getting fixed".. (not to mention that PHP4 does not work correctly on 64 bit systems either and you will find countless strange issues..)
There are countless strange issues in fetchmail, too (to name only one). Nevertheless nobody would throw it away. You cannot fix issues in acroread either, nevertheless you ship it, because the market demands it. We have not requested support for over ten years from suse, though buying every single release since august 1995. Most of the people we know did never request any support for it. All we expected to get was a compilation of useful applications. And we request nothing more right now, only including a known-to-be-useful application. I won't judge if that means that we are in fact not very interested in what you call product management. Maybe it means that your focus on support is a limited point of view. Maybe there are lots of people that you never heard of, I don't know. I can only speak for myself and at the end of the day, I am the guy sitting in front of terabytes of data that give a damn about your idea of "most of". Sorry if that sounds tough. -- Regards, Stephan von Krawczynski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org