Hello, I've got one daring proposition. As you probably know, the ifconfig utility is obsolete since kernel 2.2 (released 15 years ago) so that it doesn't show you all requested information, sometimes it shows you things that don't exist and sometimes it does something else than you asked. There are more obsolete utilities (like route or arp) and even one that doesn't work at all for a very long time (rarp). As we have already kicked out of the distribution tools that were much less obsolete and much more useful, I propose to move the obsolete network config utilities out of the default installation, i.e. - move ifconfig, route, arp, nameif, ipmaddr, iptunnel into a separate package, e.g. net-tools-obsolete, which wouldn't be part of a default installation - drop rarp I'm not including netstat in the list as I'm afraid only few people even know that ss exists. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org