On Thursday 20 April 2017, Simon Lees wrote:
On 04/20/2017 07:16 PM, Ruediger Meier wrote:
On Wednesday 19 April 2017, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 19.04.2017 um 12:32 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
I liked very much the idea that installer should somehow "check" the hardware and if it is too weak to run KDE/GNOME, the installer should as default promote e.g. XFCE and/or notify user KDE/GNOME would require more CPU, memory, whatever. I have no idea how difficult would it be. I think everyone can imagine frustration from running terribly slooooooow system. Especially when some more lightweight DE would run fast on very same HW.
While this might seem like a good idea at first, imagine a user (not necessarily a newbie) doing three installations on three slightly different machines, doing exactly the same every time and getting three totally different results.
Not good.
I see it the same way. We should simply add some performance dependent hints to the DE descriptions.
Moreover regarding "randomized installations". I don't like that selecting different DEs may also affect the rest of the system. Why do we get a random display manager, dependent on the installation order of the window managers? Here I would wish we had more sane global defaults. DE maintainers should not be allowed to push their personal favorite DM.
Well at the moment selecting a desktop equates to selecting its pattern and we let the distro maintainers choose what goes into there patterns.
Regarding the topic of this thread. I don't care much which desktop selection is the default. But I would keep a pre-selected one. Since I'm a conservative guy who doesn't like changes at all I would simply keep KDE as default. But only if sddm is either fixed or replaced by something which works for more use cases.
You always have the choice to install a different DM if you don't like the one that was suggested by the project, this is as simple as installing the DM you want then editing /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, maybe if enough people agree with you the maintainer would hopefully change his mind.
I know that I can change things later. However I simply wanted to mention that the "DE" and "WM" buttons should not be able to completely randomize the installation. One DE may "prefer" NetworkManager another DE may want wicked. IMO the DE buttons should not have "too much power". There should be some kind of one well defined base system which is the same for all DE's Installing KDE first and then XFCE should IMO result in the same system like installing XFCE first and then KDE. These random things are the small things which make users crazy. Because at installation time you start thinking about useless things like this: "Hm, would it look better for me to push the KDE button and install XFCE later or the other way around or should I install a minimal X system and install both later or what would happen if ..." and so on. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org