On Wednesday 19 April 2017, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 19. April 2017, 09:58:52 CEST schrieb Simon Lees:
On 04/19/2017 03:30 PM, Olaf Hering wrote:
Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:56:47 +0930
schrieb Simon Lees
: If its your first time using Linux ever, without spending 15 minutes googling how do you know which of KDE or Gnome is the right choice? This is where it is hard and where the installer needs to do better (for leap users anyway)>
How would ANY googling help with that decision? Those who decide based on other peoples opinion are served best by a decision made by us. Either poison is fine for them.
Olaf
This is exactly my point about having no default, if we have no default we are no longer making a decision for them and sure either choice will meet there needs probably equally well (atleast initially) they won't know that so we need to do a better job of providing guidance then the current selection screen does.
But this will not work for less experienced users. They feel uncertain and have no idea about the impact. So giving guidance or recommendation is a must if you want to make it user friendly. The less decisions a (less experienced) user must take, the better.
I see it the same way, moreover I don't like changing defaults randomly, so keep KDE please. Just an anecdote from my childhood: I was using Sparc workstations at our university for some years. Very simple login screen, user/password, no problems. Suddenly one day the login screen was "a bit" different. I had to select a window manager before I could login. At this time I didn't even know what a window manager is nor I knew that the one I was happily using for years was called fvwm. So I had to try almost all of the offered ones just to find the one again which looked similar to what I was using before. Some of the WMs I've had to go through were so cryptic that it was even hard to find way to log out again. The whole martyrium took me almost one hour and after this my home directory was splattered with many config files and directories which I would probably never need again. I guess many of all the hundreds of students had similar annoying minutes. Why does one admin waste so much human life time? So, my rule of thumb: Never change things for other people unless there is a very good reason. The fact that there might be a better desktop than KDE is not a good reason to change 20 year old defaults IHMO.
If you know your way around, you will do anyway that you think is right for you.
Exactly. And moreover I still keep the pre-selected KDE even though I don't use KDE. Though I was disappointed that it brings us this terribly configured sddm nowadays. But this is a similar issue. The old default (kdm) was changed by KDE maintainers. According to my rule of thumb above they should have changed it to something which is at least competitive to the obsolete kdm. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org