On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 04:45:01PM +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Jul 15 11:53 Martin Schlander wrote (excerpt):
Tirsdag den 14. juli 2015 16:02:13 skrev Martin Pluskal:
Why do you assume that beginners can not install package? Could you elaborate more on your definition of beginner?
They'll fail way before they even think "Oh, I need to install an additional package". They'll fire up their browser ... ... find one ... only available in Flash and they'll come to the conclusion that "openSUSE doesn't work". They might click on the "Install Adobe Flash" thing that is shown and get even more frustrated.
They won't think that they can install the needed plugin ... They'll think ... the browser isn't working.
Just like they think the media player is broken, when it doesn't have support for certain media formats out of the box.
You even see professional developers and sysadmins who struggle
Guess what I did right now...
I booted my Tumbleweed system (virtual KVM machine) that has no Adobe Flash Player installed and launched Mozilla Firefox.
I tried a video on the YouTube home page that just worked.
Then I went to http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/ and tried a video there but that does not "just work".
The browser shows a popup because it doesn't know what it should do with an *.mp4 file.
At this point it basically ends.
One cannot install a "mp4" package.
Of course we know that there is no such package ------------------------------------------------------- $ osc search mp4 No matches found for 'mp4' in projects No matches found for 'mp4' in packages ------------------------------------------------------- but how are unexperienced end-users informed?
There is neither any hint that a piece of software is missing here nor what software package is needed so that the browser could deal with *.mp4 files.
Even if one knows what is needed, one cannot install it because that kind of software is not available in the default repositories.
I think this is the main point that needs to be improved:
Directly "inside" the browser sufficient information so that even unexperienced end-users could succeed.
Also directly "inside" the media player sufficient information so that even unexperienced end-users could succeed in such cases (i.e. when a piece of software is missing what package is needed).
I did the same steps with the same result on Tumbleweed. The strange
thing is that H.264 is listed as not supported at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/html5
That's strange, because we have the OpenH264 Cisco stuff in the Plugin
Browser list.
I've tested the same steps with openSUSE 13.2 and it worked like a
charm.
Ciao,
Alex~
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Alexander Bergmann