For the avoidance of doubt:
Richard took this offlist last night, first to IRC, and then to a long
phone call, and now I understand things _somewhat_ better -- although
not 100% clearly. So I am replying to this because I want to understand
this matter better, and if possible, help to draft something that will
explain the difference between SUSE and openSUSE.
Without pointing to hour-long videos on Youtube.
On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:26:13 +0100
Richard Brown
You and I are both openSUSE contributors
Am I? Oh! I didn't know that I was. :-)
communicating on an openSUSE mailinglist.
Our employers and our choice of email address doesn't matter;
This came as news to me.
But for clarification, you should note that I rarely post with my SUSE corporate email here, and my choice of email address has been the @opensuse.org address I've had for a lot longer than my employment with SUSE.
I have not so noted, no. I will try to remember to pay more attention to people's email addresses.
Speaking personally, when posting here I feel I am most certainly an openSUSE contributor first, and a SUSE employee second, and choose my mail address accordingly.
I do not judge those who choose differently from me, but given my position in the community though I also think it's important that I live & represent the reality that all openSUSE contributors are equal.
So when I talk about "we" in this list, I am talking about openSUSE. That is the group which this mailinglist exists to address.
OK. I thought that "we" meant "SUSE employees".
You are the one who raised examples of SUSE's decisions in a way that implied you felt they should be considered as part of this openSUSE discussion about openSUSE's distributions.
Er, no. I didn't know that there was a difference, so I didn't consider any such differences at all.
My replies are a rather direct attempt to make it very clear how that doesn't gel with what we do here in openSUSE (nor does it gel with how SUSE interacts with openSUSE).
OK...
I could go through the above and all of your other comments on by one, but I do not want this to descend into a public spat. As a SUSE employee I think you should have a fair chance to educate yourself about how your employer interacts as part of this community
https://rootco.de/2016-04-03-opensuse-and-you/ might be a good starting point
https://speakerdeck.com/sysrich/oggcamp-2017-opensuse-a-reintroduction
I studied those. They help a bit.
My talk at FOSDEM goes into those core themes about openSUSE works and how SUSE interacts as part of openSUSE in some more details - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YKBS-KUe8
Do you think this will help?
Somewhat, yes. But I think a *lot* more is needed... In as few words as possible: I thought that openSUSE was the free-of-charge version of SUSE. And that's it. It isn't. It is *substantially* more complicated and as far as I can tell, neither SUSE nor openSUSE spells this out explicitly. I think that it should. I think that it _needs_ to. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org