On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 7:45 pm, Thomas Adam wrote:
--- Paul Taylor
wrote: On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 6:34 pm, Thomas Adam wrote:
--- Paul Taylor
wrote: I've done all that Thomas but it still doesn't work. With Mandrake
you
Doesn't work? What, you mean it didn't play a fanfare for you, or did perhaps play a song for you instead?
As usual your condescending tone is rather churlish and unhelpful. Yes I am a point and click user as are many on this list and no I don't have endless hours as part of a university course to play around with configuration files.
It is a shame, since neither do I.
A simple, "try this" would suffice. If all you can offer is condescension I would prefer you just bite your lip and keep quite. I am teaching Linux at school and influencing many students to adopt the system in a gradual manner as the dominant paradigm is a "point and click" system. If I turn around and chastice students arogantly because they have not recompiled a driver in
order to make their system work which works perfectly well under Windows I will not get very far.
That's a nice sentiment, Paul. But, I hope that your students realise the the CLI has more power over GUI's. Yes, GUI's visually enumerate such functions as the CLI equivilents, but they will/can never replace them.
All things in good time Thomas. I agree with you completely and I know that the CLI is what it is all ultimately about and despite what I said above I do use it quite a lot, just not as well as you :) It is intimidating and many people do learn more visually. If I taught with just the text book I would certainly get much better quality of understanding but the amount of paper planes hitting me in the back of the head when I turned to the board would be unbareable.
That "doesn't work" is an UTTERLY useless comment, Paul. Did you get any errors? What have you tried to
do
to perhaps fix it?
If I had any errors that meant anything I would post them for comment. It doesn't work means, it doesn't work.
press Shift + Space and an IME window pops up in the application. I need something as painless as that.
Well, I recommend you install Mandrake over SuSE in that case. Sorry,
but
if you want to be a point and click man like that, maybe window is
more
suited to you?
Despite this I will continue to use SuSE as I have done in my presumably
pointless 'point and click' way as I have done for several years. I will also continue to coax and encourage students to use the system and where
possible give them guidance and meaningful support about how to get over
Good. I encourage that.
problems. Saying that you have to do it CLI all the time seems to me to be a stance more atuned to a system that dictates how you should do it with little option about how to change it - maybe windows is more suited to you?
No no no. The CLI is useful because it is something that is *always* there. How on earth can I use the GUI to help when at first glance I know *nothing* about the applications you may or may not have installed? With the CLI, *I* know that what I suggest to you will 99% of the time work.
I appreciate that and I do value your input though a bit more detail to start off with for the less experienced among us would lead to greater understanding all round.
-- Thomas Adam
Very angrily yours,
My humblest apologies, Paul.
Likewise. Your e-mail arrived after a frustrating day in front of the CLI that left me angry and frustrated and your comments seemed to be rubbing salt in the wound. I was not promoting Mandrake over any other distro, just asking what I could do to replicate what seemed to be a satisfyingly simple process on SuSE. I should know by now that your comments are as succinct and direct as the CLI that you champion. Please accept my apologies for my outburst. As Ian has pointed out, e-mail is a very poor means of communication. Paul
-- Thomas Adam
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