http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |coolo@suse.com, | |lnussel@suse.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c2 --- Comment #2 from Michael Andres --- There's AFAIK an option to request the 'zypper inr' mode in the YAST installers option menu (Install Recommended Packages for Already Installed Packages). Like you call 'zypper inr', you must explicitly request this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c4 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags| |needinfo?(ma@suse.com) --- Comment #4 from Stefan Dirsch --- (In reply to Michael Andres from comment #2)

There's AFAIK an option to request the 'zypper inr' mode in the YAST installers option menu (Install Recommended Packages for Already Installed Packages). Like you call 'zypper inr', you must explicitly request this.

There is no such option in YaST. Could you explain, how to find it? (In reply to Michael Andres from comment #3)

And YES - older YAST versions had this mode enabled by default, which was considered to be a bug, because it created zombie-packages (always re-installed after deletion). 'inr' is a special operation, performed only on request.

Then I consider this a not such a clever decision. Which bug number is this? Could well be that the changed behaviour created more harm than benefit. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c8 --- Comment #8 from Egbert Eich --- If the option is well hidden there is no point in spending all the effort to match PCI IDs to the different versions of the the proprietary drivers any more - people will just not set it and instead pick and install driver packages themselves. In the end they will have a totally misconfigured system which will be an additional support burden. In the mentioned FATE this was already mentioned: Usecase [..] UC4 - On a system with an AMD/nVidia gfx card when I add the proprietary driver repository I want an easy way to install the packages matching my hardware. [..] This never seemed to have been tested, though - result: all our efforts to simplify the installation of the proprietary drivers and to reduce the chance for user errors have been voided. It would make sense to have a per-repo flag if recommended packages shall be installed or not - with reasonable per-repo defaults. However the new situation breaks things badly for us. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fcrozat@suse.com Blocks|953571 | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c9 Ladislav Slezak changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags| |needinfo?(ma@suse.com) --- Comment #9 from Ladislav Slezak --- IIRC Michael wants to use only the HW dependencies in the "Recommended packages for installed packages" feature later, this would solve the issue with the zombie packages and easy installation of driver packages. Michael, what the plan for this feature? It would help a lot I think... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c11 Stefan Hundhammer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lslezak@suse.com Flags| |needinfo?(lslezak@suse.com) --- Comment #11 from Stefan Hundhammer --- Hm - I recall a Scrum task "install with no recommends" a couple of weeks ago. IIRC lslezak did it. This sounds like there might be a connection with this issue. Lada, does this ring any bells? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags| |needinfo?(mvidner@suse.com) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c14 Stefan Hundhammer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags|needinfo?(shundhammer@suse. | |com) | --- Comment #14 from Stefan Hundhammer --- Qt package selector: Menu "Extras" -> "Install all matching recommended packages" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c16 --- Comment #16 from Stefan Dirsch --- I added this information now to our Wiki page. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers#Easy_way_to_get_NVIDIA_drivers -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c17 Ladislav Slezak changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P2 - High Status|NEW |CONFIRMED --- Comment #17 from Ladislav Slezak --- I'll wait with the fix for libzypp to provide the HW only recommends feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c19 --- Comment #19 from Michael Andres --- (In reply to Stefan Dirsch from comment #18)

(In reply to Ladislav Slezak from comment #17)

...

I'll wait with the fix for libzypp to provide the HW only recommends feature.

Why? Don't we want to fix this obvious regression ASAP?

FATE#318099 decided to have the 'inr' switch off per default - the 'inr' functionality is available on demand only. So there is no other trade-off than waiting for a 'smart inr' that can be on per default. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c21 Ladislav Slezák changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|YaST2 |libzypp Assignee|lslezak@suse.com |zypp-maintainers@forge.prov | |o.novell.com QA Contact|jsrain@suse.com |qa-bugs@suse.de --- Comment #21 from Ladislav Slezák --- This actually depends on the libzypp support for the "smart inr" (aka HW only recommends) feature as written in comment 19. Changing the component. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|Leap 42.1 |Leap 42.2 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|YaST does not autoselect |Regression: YaST no longer |appropriate NVIDIA driver |autoselects appropriate |packages |NVIDIA driver packages -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Major -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c27 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|libzypp |YaST2 Assignee|zypp-maintainers@forge.prov |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |o.novell.com | Summary|Regression in Leap: YaST no |[CHECK YAST] Regression in |longer autoselects |Leap: YaST no longer |appropriate NVIDIA driver |autoselects appropriate |packages |NVIDIA driver packages QA Contact|qa-bugs@suse.de |jsrain@suse.com --- Comment #27 from Michael Andres --- This flaw should be fixed with libzypp-17.10.2. - The use of --no-recommends should no longer affect the selection of driver and language supporting packages. - `zypper inr --no-recommends` should just add missing driver and language supporting packages to the system. Omitting all the 'ordinary' recommends. I'm passing this back to the YAST team, just to check their resolver switches. With this new behavior `!ignoreAlreadyRecommended` and `onlyRequires` can be used together, which was a NOOP before:

`ignoreA.R.` `onlyRequires` true false 'bloated' install including recommends true true 'minimal' install, no recommends but system supporting packages false false fill up all recommended packages false true fill up only missing system supporting packages (NEW)

For the docs: `system supporting packages` includes HW and language packages, also packages supporting local filesystems. Maybe more resolver namespaces in the future. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c29 --- Comment #29 from Stefan Hundhammer --- @lslezak, this is waiting for input from you. Please check. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC|ma@suse.com | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c32 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags|needinfo?(ma@suse.com) | --- Comment #32 from Michael Andres --- It's not so much about the concrete setting (and if "onlyRequires = false", then there is no issue at all). If "onlyRequires = true", it should nevertheless be possible to set "ignoreAlreadyRecommended = false" independently. Just be sure there's no automatism turning off "onlyRequires" if "ignoreAlreadyRecommended" is set to "false". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c34 --- Comment #34 from Michael Andres --- (In reply to Ladislav Slezák from comment #33)

...

If "onlyRequires = true", it should nevertheless be possible to set "ignoreAlreadyRecommended = false" independently.

We do not allow to set this in YaST in the UI.

Comments 7, 14 an 15 sounded as if the packages selectors do/did. If those 'single shot' actions still exist, one could think about also offering it with "onlyRequires = true", so only HW,lang,... are updated (rather than all recommens). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c36 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED |--- --- Comment #36 from Stefan Dirsch --- Anyway, I seriously doubt the problematic here has been fully understood by the YaST side. I'll try to explain the previous and current behaviour and what we want to achieve here: SLE11: 1) packages with appropriate hardware supplements have been autoselected for installation during and *after* installation. Great! 2) recommended packages have been autoselected for installation during and *after* installation. Customers weren't so happy about the latter. SLE12/SLE15(SP0) (also openSUSE/Leap/TW of course) 1) packages with appropriate hardware supplements are autoselected for installation *during* installation, but *not* afterwards, e.g. after you add a repo like the NVIDIA one, the autoselection for the right packages of this repo no longer work (this bug here is about!) 2) recommended packages are autoselected for installation *during* installation, but no longer also *after* installation due to a feature request, which then broke autoselection of packages with hardware supplements (although in this FATE it was claimed this would not happen, LOL) SLE15-SP1/fate#325513/this bug The intention here is to fix autoselection again for packages with appropriate hardware supplements *after* installation. If I understood this correctly this would mean one needs to set 'onlyRequires' to "true" given that "system supporting packages" includes hardware supplements. In case you don't know what hardware supplements means, here an example: # rpm --supplements -q xf86-video-intel modalias(xorg-x11-server:pci:v00008086d00001132sv*sd*bc*sc*i*) modalias(xorg-x11-server:pci:v00008086d00002562sv*sd*bc*sc*i*) [...] So I would expect that we would need the settings during installation: ignoreA.R.`=false, `onlyRequires`=true after installation: ignoreA.R.`=true, `onlyRequires`=true And, BTW, I no longer believe IGNORE_RECOMMENDED maps to "onlyRequires". This might have a complete different meaning ... Reopening. This should not be closed before it hasn't been understood by all sides! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c38 Michael Schröder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mls@suse.com --- Comment #38 from Michael Schröder --- Wait wait wait, why would you want to make "onlyRequires" the default? That's just an option, most people IMHO do not want that. It's only useful if you want a somewhat "minimal" system. So I think that the current code is what we want. (I'm also unsure why "installation" would need to set "ignore already recommended" to false. This option is a noop for fresh installations. It only makes a difference if installed packages are kept, i.e. not updated) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c40 --- Comment #40 from Stefan Dirsch --- Just had a try on TW with current libzypp/zypper packages. # rpm -q libzypp libzypp-17.11.0-1.1.x86_64 # rpm --changelog -q libzypp [...] * Mo Dez 10 2018 ma@suse.de - commit: set `SYSTEMD_OFFLINE=1` during chrooted commits (bsc#1118758) - no-recommends: Nevertheless consider resolver namespaces (hardware, language,..supporting packages) (FATE#325513) - BuildRequires: libsolv-devel >= 0.7.2 (SOLVER_FLAG_ONLY_NAMESPACE_RECOMMENDED) - Remove world-readable bit from /var/log/zypp (bsc#1099019) - version 17.10.2 (9) # rpm -q zypper zypper-1.14.19-2.1.x86_64 # rpm --changelog -q zypper [...] * Di Dez 11 2018 ma@suse.de - no-recommends: Nevertheless consider resolver namespaces (hardware, language,..supporting packages) (FATE#325513) - BuildRequires: libzypp-devel >= 17.10.2 - version 1.14.18 # zypper inr Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies... The following 5 NEW packages are going to be installed: nvidia-computeG05 nvidia-gfxG05-kmp-default nvidia-glG05 suse-prime x11-video-nvidiaG05 5 new packages to install. --> Looks good. As before. # zypper inr --no-recommends Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies... The following NEW package is going to be installed: nvidia-gfxG05-kmp-default 1 new package to install. Makes sense, since nvidia-gfxG05-kmp-default recommends nvidia-glG05, x11-video-nvidiaG05. And x11-video-nvidiaG05 recommends nvidia-computeG05 and suse-prime in addition. BUT, there is no autoselection of any NVIDIA driver package when using YaST2. Even not when enabling: --> Extras/Install All Matching Recommended packages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c42 --- Comment #42 from Michael Schröder --- #39: there was a change in libzypp, onlyRequires=1 will now still install hardware packages. onlyRequires=1 used to be "ignore all package recommends/supplements", it's now "ignore all except system dependencies". There currently is no way to ignore all recommends/supplements. "ignoreA.R.=1" makes the solver not look at the recommends/supplements for installed packages that are not updated. I.e. if you do a "zypper install foo" you will not get something installed because of a recommends of a package that has nothing to do with the request. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c44 --- Comment #44 from Michael Andres ---

Still hard to understand, but I hope it's not relevant for my case. ;-)

I fear it is. "ignoreA.R.=1" or `ADD_ALREADY_RECOMMENDED=0` (the default) is the option _not_ to automatically fill up the recommendations of already installed packages. YASTS permanent use of 'ADD_ALREADY_RECOMMENDED=1' destroyed small/minimal systems, as even unrelated installs added _any_ deleted or willingly not installed package immediately again. AFAIR that's the main reason why PM requested not to use the option permanently, but to offer a special mode in YAST (like `zypper inr`). What you call the `feature of autoselecting the nvidia driver' is also the `bug of destroying small/minimal systems`: The inability of deleting/not-installing recommended packages, because YAST immediately re-installs them. This is basically still valid and true. Downside of 'ADD_ALREADY_RECOMMENDED=1' (in YAST as well as in 'zypper inr') in the past: Either _all_ missing recommendations were installed (IGNORE_RECOMMENDED=0), or none at all (IGNORE_RECOMMENDED=1). This is fixed by the current implementation: 'zypper inr --recommends' (IGNORE_RECOMMENDED=0, ADD_ALREADY_RECOMMENDED=1) adds _all_ missing recommended packages (incl. hardware supplements etc.). {like before} 'zypper inr --no-recommends' (IGNORE_RECOMMENDED=1, ADD_ALREADY_RECOMMENDED=1) adds _no_ missing recommended packages BUT will add missing hardware supplements etc. (new} -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c47 --- Comment #47 from Michael Schröder --- I fail to see a bug. Adding repositories should not magically install lots of packages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c49 --- Comment #49 from Ladislav Slezák --- (In reply to Stefan Dirsch from comment #45)

Thanks for further explanations!

So, does YaST now get this

--no-recommends

feature, that now will add missing hardware supplements or not?

IMHO we should add it. To install the full recommended set we already have the "Extra -> Install All Matching Recommended Packages" menu option. But that installs too many packages in most cases. For the system recommended packages (drivers) we do not have any option or possibility how to add them so far. We could add a new "Install All Matching System (Drivers) Packages" (or something like that) option, but I think it would be quite hidden and not friendly for users. My suggestion would be when starting the package manager in the installed system: 1) Search and preselect the system packages at start 2) If there is any package to install switch to the "Installation Summary" view and show list of preselected packages to user. 3) If user does not want to install them it's possible to unselect them (or even mark them as taboo to never install), AFAIK the unselected packages are saved as soft locks so they should not be offered next time. 4) User can add more packages (or remove) and continue with the package manager as usually. 5) After confirming the changes the user would install the driver packages together with the other changes. Your opinions? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c51 --- Comment #51 from Stefan Dirsch --- (In reply to Michael Schröder from comment #50)

The most sane approach would IMHO be to check for system recommends only if new repositories are added (and then only for those repos).

Yes, that would definitely make sense and would solve the issue we want to resolve here ... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c53 --- Comment #53 from Ladislav Slezák --- Created attachment 795588 --> http://bugzilla.suse.com/attachment.cgi?id=795588&action=edit Testing patch for /usr/share/YaST2/clients/sw_single.rb This patch preselects the driver packages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c55 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags|needinfo?(sndirsch@suse.com | |) | --- Comment #55 from Stefan Dirsch --- Thanks a lot, Ladislav! Patch works fine for me. nvidia-gfxG04-kmp-default gets autoselected now. And even the additional userspace packages nvidia-computeG04, nvidia-glG04, suse-prime, x11-video-nvidiaG04 get autoselected as well, although they are only in recommends of KMP package ... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 Ladislav Slezák changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL| |https://trello.com/c/Pr25cM | |hj -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c58 --- Comment #58 from Stefan Dirsch --- Thanks. So will this fix included in sle15-sp1/Leap 15.1 or only Tumbleweed? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522 http://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=953522#c60 --- Comment #60 from Stefan Dirsch --- Thanks, Ladislav. That's great to hear! :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.