Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
Le 21/11/2011 16:48, andi robert a écrit :
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
I will be out of reach for most of the 8 next days, but as I'm not IRC friendly and not an artist, it's not important
I only need something to be used as introduction and conclusion for video clips, but I probably can create then from standard artwork if available soon enough like it seems to become :-)
thanks for the good work jdd
On 2011-11-21 08:48:57 (-0700), andi robert anditosan1000@gmail.com wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
Sounds like a very good idead, indeed.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
I doubt I'm essential to the meeting, so whatever time will do :) But as a side note, what would suit me best, personally, would be >=21:00 UTC.
cheers
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
On Tuesday 22 Nov 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
I'm available after 19:00 UTC but I am away from Friday until Tuesday.
Will
I was thinking of a good time that we can have a meeting and what do you think if we do it on 06:00 AM GMT on December 6th, 2011.
I think that is when most of the world is awake :D
Tell me if this doesn't work for you and we can adjust properly.
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Will Stephenson wstephenson@suse.de wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Nov 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
I'm available after 19:00 UTC but I am away from Friday until Tuesday.
Will
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here is a doodle link for you to sign up with your preferred time. BTW Dec 6th is my bday. Let's make it memorable.
Andy
http://www.doodle.com/ts97ffrev4ukqhkt
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:47 AM, andi robert anditosan1000@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking of a good time that we can have a meeting and what do you think if we do it on 06:00 AM GMT on December 6th, 2011.
I think that is when most of the world is awake :D
Tell me if this doesn't work for you and we can adjust properly.
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Will Stephenson wstephenson@suse.de wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Nov 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
I'm available after 19:00 UTC but I am away from Friday until Tuesday.
Will
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Le 22/11/2011 18:47, andi robert a écrit :
I was thinking of a good time that we can have a meeting and what do you think if we do it on 06:00 AM GMT on December 6th, 2011.
6 am, tha's 7 paris? a sunday?
will have to ring my bell :-)
jdd
me like 19:00 UTC +1
2011/11/22 Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
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On Martes, 22 de noviembre de 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
me too
-- Javier Llorente
Ok, I think that time is a good one too. It will be mid-day in my timezone so it's perfect.
19:00 UTC Dec 6th, 2011
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Javier Llorente javier@opensuse.org wrote:
On Martes, 22 de noviembre de 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
me too
-- Javier Llorente
On 11/22/2011 09:20 PM, andi robert wrote:
Ok, I think that time is a good one too. It will be mid-day in my timezone so it's perfect.
19:00 UTC Dec 6th, 2011
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Javier Llorente javier@opensuse.org wrote:
On Martes, 22 de noviembre de 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
me too
-- Javier Llorente
Andi ask Bryen, or Aj to put that on the news calendar, so those of us following it, will see that appointment
Very good idea JDD
Will do!
Andy (anditosan)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch wrote:
On 11/22/2011 09:20 PM, andi robert wrote:
Ok, I think that time is a good one too. It will be mid-day in my timezone so it's perfect.
19:00 UTC Dec 6th, 2011
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Javier Llorente javier@opensuse.org wrote:
On Martes, 22 de noviembre de 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
me too
-- Javier Llorente
Andi ask Bryen, or Aj to put that on the news calendar, so those of us following it, will see that appointment
--
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On 11/23/2011 04:07 PM, andi robert wrote:
Very good idea JDD
Will do!
Andy (anditosan)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch wrote:
On 11/22/2011 09:20 PM, andi robert wrote:
Ok, I think that time is a good one too. It will be mid-day in my timezone so it's perfect.
19:00 UTC Dec 6th, 2011
Andy
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Javier Llorente javier@opensuse.org wrote:
On Martes, 22 de noviembre de 2011 09:44:38 Bruno Friedmann escribió:
On 11/21/2011 04:48 PM, andi robert wrote:
Hello my friends
A few weeks ago I sent out an email to request a meeting of the Artowork Team. The meeting was thought to happen after the release of 12.1 and I am happy to say that the artwork team did a tremendous work in making 12.1 a beautiful green distro.
Now it would be a great time to get together as a team and discuss goals and ideals that we would like to have for the team. Our meeting will help us get to know each other, organize ourselves, and produce artwork with focus. This meeting could happen on IRC as it is a very standard method of communication. Since this is a correlation meeting, IRC will be more than enough to propose our ideas.
I am now asking the team to set a date and a time when we can all (or as many as possible) can meet. I could come up with a minute for the meeting if necessary.
Thank you
Andy (anditosan)
for me everything after 19:00 UTC
me too
-- Javier Llorente
Andi ask Bryen, or Aj to put that on the news calendar, so those of us following it, will see that appointment
Even if JDD & me share the same native tongue it's the only things :D Andi, top posting is evil, and you could only reply to the list I'm subscribed there, so I don't need two copies of the mail
Le 23/11/2011 16:07, andi robert a écrit :
Very good idea JDD
very good idea, but not from me :-( - too many quotes to know what is the author :-)
thanks to him
jdd
My friends, please reply to this email if you are able to attend the artwork meeting.
Please also visit doodle to sign up for times if you need to.
http://www.doodle.com/ts97ffrev4ukqhkt
Andy (anditosan)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:32 PM, jdd jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/11/2011 16:07, andi robert a écrit :
Very good idea JDD
very good idea, but not from me :-( - too many quotes to know what is the author :-)
thanks to him
jdd
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On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:42:25 PM andi robert wrote:
My friends, please reply to this email if you are able to attend the artwork meeting.
To be honest with this many emails calling for meeting we could have discussion well under the way without IRC.
What we have to discuss?
1) 12.2
12.2 needs planning now, and as with any other stuff that has to produce "ohhh" efect it can't be too public, while it has to be public :)
One of solutions: Develop more stuff than it will be needed and that is easy to combine in a last minute surprise. The rest will be part of user selectable themes.
Part of solution: List all files that make up branding, where images are defined down to size in pixels, and repeat the same for each screeen size that comes in mind.
Don't tell, there is something, somewhere on some git, svn, other server, without telling exact URL where one can download files.
One that works on branding should have list of files, and the way they combine in a splash screen, boot screen, yast and its modules etc. (see I have no idea what else comes in a branding pot)
The reason to have technical details out of way is that you want to see artists to come in, not techicians with some talent in art.
Part of solution: Define what styles as in winter, spring, summer, fall, techno, fantasy travel, green, blue, red, yellow, nature, city, village, country, continent, sea, river, tree, flower, building etc, etc, you want to see applied to next release.
2) Web
Wiki, landing page, build, bugzilla, software, etc, need few tons of graphic art, and example should be SUSE Studio.
Problem for artists is that there is no common stand what we want there. Make even technical pages easier to swallow, by adding topic related art, plain text that will bore even not so fanaticaly devoted technical minds, or something in between.
I recall guy adding pretty pictures somewhere, that were removed short after, with comment "No pretty pictures". It was blatant example of conflict between technical and artist mind. One focused on task at hand and the other flying around topic, not very forcused on task. (No it was not technical topic, to justify art removal.)
3) Applications To create art, videos etc, we need working applications. If that means staticaly linked binaries to certain libraries, so be it. Those that don't like that may help to fix apps to work with ever changing envirnoment, but in the mean time we need working applications. Example is venerable Cinerrela that its author offers for certain libs, included in a package. His words are that he is tired using his time to fix application to fit ever changing environment, spending more time fixing then actually developing.
Applications like GIMP, or Inkscape, need templates with our branding, so that not every element must be designed from scratch, following instructions on some web page. It is the same as with software and libraries. Some often used parts must be in template libraries.
Some people are good at creating big picture, some like to play with parts that comprise picture, and majority is somewhere in between, having elements to play with is the way to make them all happy, and have them use their time to create art instead to research basic techniques of digital art.
Le 30/11/2011 05:09, Rajko M. a écrit :
To be honest with this many emails calling for meeting we could have discussion well under the way without IRC.
agree
What we have to discuss?
- 12.2
12.2 needs planning now, and as with any other stuff that has to produce "ohhh" efect it can't be too public, while it has to be public :)
is that really a problem?
I do not completely agree with your classification.
* not any application need an openSUSE branding - environments needs it
* there are two kinds of branding: "static" branding, that is branding that have nothing to do with the distribution release sheme. This is wiki, but not only - we could lower our work making for example a definite branding for all the "12" serie (12.1, 12.2....) and distro branding: the part that need to change from one version to the next (splash screen, basic background).
jdd
Hi all.
To be honest with this many emails calling for meeting we could have discussion well under the way without IRC.
agree
What we have to discuss?
- 12.2
12.2 needs planning now, and as with any other stuff that has to produce "ohhh" efect it can't be too public, while it has to be public :)
is that really a problem?
I do not completely agree with your classification.
not any application need an openSUSE branding - environments needs it
there are two kinds of branding: "static" branding, that is branding
that have nothing to do with the distribution release sheme. This is wiki, but not only - we could lower our work making for example a definite branding for all the "12" serie (12.1, 12.2....) and distro branding: the part that need to change from one version to the next (splash screen, basic background).
We first should agree on a timeline.
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts? - Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)? - Can we provide gifts for winning concepts (e.g. a bamboo tablet), @jdd do we have budget for that? - Does it really need to be green? - How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect) - Who can vote? - Can we provide a core team that is responsible for the artwork integration? (building themes, uploading them to git, packaging, testing) - Does that list have to be reply to author, instead of reply to list ;?
Greets Marcus
Le 30/11/2011 20:07, Marcus Moeller a écrit :
We first should agree on a timeline.
may be before know the work to be done :-)
But, for example, can we agree to have sorted things on early January (one month ahead, but with hollidays)
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts?
should be good if we find a good concept (not so easy!)
- Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)?
just me: why not?
- Can we provide gifts for winning concepts (e.g. a bamboo tablet),
@jdd do we have budget for that?
I have no access to any budget, but I'm pretty sure Jos would agree. We had a long discussion on Marketting, but failed to find some kind of reward both cheap and interesting :-)
- Does it really need to be green?
Green isd fairly strongly associated with openSUSE, so any change have to be really prepared long time ago. For example, I would considere that changing color for 13.1 could be good. keep 12 green, 13 blue, 14 red (just examples). May be we can have a progressive change, but I don't know how.
I mean I'm not keeping the green ad vitam aeternam just because we are now green
- How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect)
poll on connect, but such a vote have to be prepared long time ago if anybody want a success
- Who can vote?
members? Ambassadors? anybody?
- Can we provide a core team that is responsible for the artwork
integration? (building themes, uploading them to git, packaging, testing)
I would love it!!
- Does that list have to be reply to author, instead of reply to list ;?
with reply to list, I don't see a problem
jdd
Hi again.
We first should agree on a timeline.
may be before know the work to be done :-)
We already know that for now. All that needs to be modified is in the 12.1 artwork git tree.
But, for example, can we agree to have sorted things on early January (one month ahead, but with hollidays)
The release schedule for 12.2 is not set yet. What I mean is to find a general timeline that fits on every release, e.g. deadline for submissions is Milestone 1, Final artwork has to be packaged till Milestone 3.
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts?
should be good if we find a good concept (not so easy!)
- Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)?
just me: why not?
Then we have to find a general artwork for the rest. The current artwork for grub/syslinux, yast and app splashes is quite generic, as it only contains slight overlay elements. What is missing is a generic bootsplash (hopefully Plymouth on 12.2).
- Can we provide gifts for winning concepts (e.g. a bamboo tablet),
@jdd do we have budget for that?
I have no access to any budget, but I'm pretty sure Jos would agree. We had a long discussion on Marketting, but failed to find some kind of reward both cheap and interesting :-)
Could you perhaps ask Jos on that @jdd?
- Does it really need to be green?
Green isd fairly strongly associated with openSUSE, so any change have to be really prepared long time ago. For example, I would considere that changing color for 13.1 could be good. keep 12 green, 13 blue, 14 red (just examples). May be we can have a progressive change, but I don't know how.
I mean I'm not keeping the green ad vitam aeternam just because we are now green
Maybe green in combination with grey could be an option. Predefining color also limits artwork concepts a lot. And what about photos? Do they have to be green, too?
- How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect)
poll on connect, but such a vote have to be prepared long time ago if anybody want a success
Is it possible to limit polls to a specific userbase?
- Who can vote?
members? Ambassadors? anybody?
I personally would say the ppl from the artwork team but am also not totally against opening it for all members.
- Can we provide a core team that is responsible for the artwork
integration? (building themes, uploading them to git, packaging, testing)
I would love it!!
- Does that list have to be reply to author, instead of reply to list ;?
with reply to list, I don't see a problem
Greets Marcus
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Marcus Moeller marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi again.
We first should agree on a timeline.
may be before know the work to be done :-)
We already know that for now. All that needs to be modified is in the 12.1 artwork git tree.
But, for example, can we agree to have sorted things on early January (one month ahead, but with hollidays)
The release schedule for 12.2 is not set yet. What I mean is to find a general timeline that fits on every release, e.g. deadline for submissions is Milestone 1, Final artwork has to be packaged till Milestone 3.
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts?
should be good if we find a good concept (not so easy!)
- Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)?
just me: why not?
Then we have to find a general artwork for the rest. The current artwork for grub/syslinux, yast and app splashes is quite generic, as it only contains slight overlay elements. What is missing is a generic bootsplash (hopefully Plymouth on 12.2).
- Can we provide gifts for winning concepts (e.g. a bamboo tablet),
@jdd do we have budget for that?
I have no access to any budget, but I'm pretty sure Jos would agree. We had a long discussion on Marketting, but failed to find some kind of reward both cheap and interesting :-)
Could you perhaps ask Jos on that @jdd?
- Does it really need to be green?
Green isd fairly strongly associated with openSUSE, so any change have to be really prepared long time ago. For example, I would considere that changing color for 13.1 could be good. keep 12 green, 13 blue, 14 red (just examples). May be we can have a progressive change, but I don't know how.
I mean I'm not keeping the green ad vitam aeternam just because we are now green
Maybe green in combination with grey could be an option. Predefining color also limits artwork concepts a lot. And what about photos? Do they have to be green, too?
- How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect)
poll on connect, but such a vote have to be prepared long time ago if anybody want a success
This is what we generally do. However, voting is the final step. First we would need to have our time line set up to have artwork submitted long before the release. That way we can choose a design and then have time to tweak it and make it even better. This also helps the rest of the artists decide on what to base their particular designs for openSUSE. The key to all this is to be as early as time allows to generate artwork.
Is it possible to limit polls to a specific userbase?
- Who can vote?
members? Ambassadors? anybody?
I personally would say the ppl from the artwork team but am also not totally against opening it for all members.
This is a good point that we should bring up in the meeting.
- Can we provide a core team that is responsible for the artwork
integration? (building themes, uploading them to git, packaging, testing)
I would love it!!
- Does that list have to be reply to author, instead of reply to list ;?
This will also be part of the meeting. Deciding what type of artwork needs we have is the first step in setting up our group.
with reply to list, I don't see a problem
Greets Marcus
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Le 30/11/2011 21:10, Marcus Moeller a écrit :
Could you perhaps ask Jos on that @jdd?
done
vote:
I personally would say the ppl from the artwork team but am also not totally against opening it for all members.
too restricted vote is sure to give many protests. If the vote is well prepared and argumented, a yes is likely and them acceptation much better
that said I would like to see opinions of other people than you and me :-))
jdd
On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 08:07:08 PM Marcus Moeller wrote:
We first should agree on a timeline.
As soon as possible. Action, showtime is good, but having time to think is better.
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts?
I listed some, it must be light, nothing heavy binding. You can't ask artist with idea to stick to concept that is not his cup of tea. Too many rules make for too little contributors. It is that simple. I see that in the wiki, and it is present in any project that screams or contributors.
IMHO, core of the team must learn rules, and there will be quite some number of them, but newcomer must be free to publish his work without all that. If s/he sticks with group s/he will learn as much as it is needed for his interest.
- Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)?
Sure, photo can be: - nice background, - nice idea for graphic, - nice combination of both. We want original photos for sure, where original means it was taken by uploader. Good or bad, let we judge when we see them.
When weare by upload; we have to decide where to publish images and photos, or to collect all links to SUSE and openSUSE related artwork in a central place. Right now that easy to publish links would be wiki.
- Can we provide gifts for winning concepts (e.g. a bamboo tablet), @jdd
do we have budget for that?
Jos has some marketing budget, so he can plan that in, but for that we have to creeate criteria when someone wins.
- Does it really need to be green?
No, basic chameleon color is green, but why to stick with basics :) One thing is trademark that must be green and in particular shape and color, the other is Geeko as common thread in openSUSE. We limited ourselves way to long to a simple shape of trademarked Geeko, with occasional excursions to variations.
- How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect)
Connect openSUSE is the way, as there is already present voting infrastructure. With email we have to count votes manually.
- Who can vote?
Depends on question. Artwork group, members, community, everybody. Literally when we ask particular question we will know for whom it is meant, and any other will just squeue results.
- Can we provide a core team that is responsible for the artwork
integration? (building themes, uploading them to git, packaging, testing)
As in any project, there will be few interested that will create core with usual mantra, more work more influence. I'm interested in decoration of a wiki in a first place, but that is not really possibel to separate from other work.
- Does that list have to be reply to author, instead of reply to list ;?
:)
There is the way to escape, one can make his own list, or use Forums, Connect, Google groups, etc.
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On 11/30/2011 08:07 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
Hi all.
To be honest with this many emails calling for meeting we could have discussion well under the way without IRC.
agree
What we have to discuss?
- 12.2
12.2 needs planning now, and as with any other stuff that has to produce "ohhh" efect it can't be too public, while it has to be public :)
is that really a problem?
artwork does not need to be secret. I would rather prefer it to go out to beta-users as early as possible (with Milestone1) to get more feedback. If we don't get anything done until MS1, I propose to put in placeholder artwork, that can be intentionally ugly (I'm good at this:-) and have as text "This space could show your artwork - contribute today - http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Artwork"
Besides that here are some open questions that needs to be clarified:
- Do we want artwork to be based on some kind of concepts?
I'm happy with rather abstract pleasant-looking artwork like the 12.1, 11.3 and 11.2 ones.
- Are we open for any kind of submissions (e.g. photos, too)?
photos can be problematic in some design aspects (e.g. too much detail distracting from the work at hand) ... but there are certainly good ways to use photos
- Does it really need to be green?
not a must, but some green is considered a plus in terms of recognizing openSUSE
- How should we vote for a concept? (email / connect)
connect
- Who can vote?
If it is about which design is liked more, it would be good to allow all users to vote, as they are the ones most affected by artwork in the end.
Ciao Bernhard M.
Hi all.
My friends, please reply to this email if you are able to attend the artwork meeting.
Please also visit doodle to sign up for times if you need to.
So is the evening today at 20.00 UTC, now?
Greets Marcus
Andy (anditosan)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:32 PM, jddjdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/11/2011 16:07, andi robert a écrit :
Very good idea JDD
very good idea, but not from me :-( - too many quotes to know what is the author :-)
thanks to him
jdd
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Hi all.
My friends, please reply to this email if you are able to attend the artwork meeting.
Please also visit doodle to sign up for times if you need to.
So is the evening today at 20.00 UTC, now?
Sorry, meant meeting ;)
Greets Marcus
Andy (anditosan)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:32 PM, jddjdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/11/2011 16:07, andi robert a écrit :
Very good idea JDD
very good idea, but not from me :-( - too many quotes to know what is the author :-)
thanks to him
jdd
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Le 06/12/2011 18:20, Marcus Moeller a écrit :
So is the evening today at 20.00 UTC, now?
seems to be just now :-)
freenode, #opensuse-artwork?
jdd
Hi all.
So is the evening today at 20.00 UTC, now?
seems to be just now :-)
freenode, #opensuse-artwork?
Again, thanks to andi for organizing the meeting. Maybe we could send out a short reminder to the ML for upcoming events, maybe one day in advance or at the same day?
Greets Marcus
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Marcus Moeller marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi all.
So is the evening today at 20.00 UTC, now?
seems to be just now :-)
freenode, #opensuse-artwork?
Again, thanks to andi for organizing the meeting. Maybe we could send out a short reminder to the ML for upcoming events, maybe one day in advance or at the same day?
That would be a good thing. I am now going over our different tasks and ideas that came up on the meeting to create an action list.
Andy (anditosan)
Greets Marcus
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