ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

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Sunny

19 Feb 2006 19 Feb '06

17:44

Hi, sorry for the double-post, but I do not know if this is 64-bit specific, as I do not have 32-bit intsallation to test. Anyway: SuSE 10 x86_64 kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default xorg - 6.8.2-100.2 ati prop. driver - 8.22.5-x86_64 (tried 8.21.7 - same problem) videocard - ATI X800 - ExpressPCI KDE - 3.5.1 Level "a" The problem: Using the switch user option of KDE to start a new kdm for a second user to login works OK, The user can login. But if then I try Ctrl-Alt-F7 to return to the other session, or when I close the new session, or if I switch to virtual terminal (Ctrl-ALt-1..6), and try to get back to any X one (Alt7-8) it badly hangs the machine. No remote access either, so I can not kill the X server. Looks like the problem is with the ati proprietary driver, as if I uninstall it and use the generic one, everything works just fine. Do someone have such a problem? Is it isolated only to the 64bit version, or it happen with the 32 bit as well? Any suggestions how to solve/or at least debug and try to solve the problem? ATI's site is horrible, so before I even try to deal with them, I'd like to receive as much as possible information. Any experience/opinion is welcome. Cheers -- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

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Mike

19 Feb 19 Feb

18:02

New subject: [suse-amd64] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On Sunday 19 February 2006 18:44, Sunny wrote: Hi,

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Hi, sorry for the double-post, but I do not know if this is 64-bit specific, as I do not have 32-bit intsallation to test.

I do..

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Anyway: SuSE 10 x86_64 kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default xorg - 6.8.2-100.2 ati prop. driver - 8.22.5-x86_64 (tried 8.21.7 - same problem) videocard - ATI X800 - ExpressPCI videocard ATI X700 AGP

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Looks like the problem is with the ati proprietary driver, as if I uninstall it and use the generic one, everything works just fine.

It probably is as I have much the same problem. I don't even have to log in as another user. Just switch to a console, and then try to get back. System hangs and forces a hard reset. Now, this is only on my 32 bit system, as my 64bit won't accept the ati driver (laptop) Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 7:00pm up 5:07, 3 users, load average: 2.34, 2.30, 2.28

Sunny

18:25

New subject: [suse-amd64] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On 2/19/06, Mike wrote:

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It probably is as I have much the same problem. I don't even have to log in as another user. Just switch to a console, and then try to get back. System hangs and forces a hard reset.

Thanks for the info. Here if only one user is logged in (kdm), then switching between consoles and the GUI is no problem. Looks like the only solution is going back to nVidia :) I'll wait for another opinions of course, and maybe I'll go trough the hassle to file a report at ATI, even if they have made this process so hard and unfriendly.

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Mike

-- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Mike

18:55

New subject: [suse-amd64] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On Sunday 19 February 2006 19:25, Sunny wrote:

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On 2/19/06, Mike wrote:

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It probably is as I have much the same problem. I don't even have to log in as another user. Just switch to a console, and then try to get back. System hangs and forces a hard reset.

Thanks for the info. Here if only one user is logged in (kdm), then switching between consoles and the GUI is no problem.

I think it might be something with the X series of cards. My older 9800pro didn't have this problem.

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Looks like the only solution is going back to nVidia :)

Naa. I've used ATI for so long, I wouldn't know how to install anything else.. ;-)

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I'll wait for another opinions of course, and maybe I'll go trough the hassle to file a report at ATI, even if they have made this process so hard and unfriendly.

It's always that way. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 7:53pm up 0:50, 3 users, load average: 2.08, 2.12, 2.02

Sunny

18:58

New subject: [suse-amd64] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On 2/19/06, Mike wrote:

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On Sunday 19 February 2006 19:25, Sunny wrote:

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On 2/19/06, Mike wrote:

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It probably is as I have much the same problem. I don't even have to log in as another user. Just switch to a console, and then try to get back. System hangs and forces a hard reset.

Thanks for the info. Here if only one user is logged in (kdm), then switching between consoles and the GUI is no problem.

I think it might be something with the X series of cards. My older 9800pro didn't have this problem.

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Looks like the only solution is going back to nVidia :)

Naa. I've used ATI for so long, I wouldn't know how to install anything else.. ;-)

On the other 2 boxes (32 bit) I have nvidia, very easy :) (yeah, the best editor is the one I know :) )

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I'll wait for another opinions of course, and maybe I'll go trough the hassle to file a report at ATI, even if they have made this process so hard and unfriendly.

It's always that way.

nvida has forums, etc. much more friendly :), at least on first glance.

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Mike

-- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

gilligan

18:34

New subject: Installtion source not refreshed

On trying to update KDE I am having a problem with getting an "error" Installation source not refreshed. I have refresh turned on. Even trying packman site (with refresh turned on) Yast refuses to refresh the site. Is there a way to "force" refresh? I want to upgrade KDE but am at a loss as to how to make Yast refresh. Any suggestion greatly appreciated. TIA

Johan Middendorp

20 Feb 20 Feb

07:45

New subject: [suse-amd64] Installtion source not refreshed

Hallo, On Sunday 19 February 2006 19:34, gilligan wrote:

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On trying to update KDE I am having a problem with getting an "error" Installation source not refreshed. I have refresh turned on. Even trying packman site (with refresh turned on) Yast refuses to refresh the site. Is there a way to "force" refresh? I know the problem. I do as a work-around: Installation Source > edit > replace > OK. Then the source that is edited is always refreshed. Weird isn't it?

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I want to upgrade KDE but am at a loss as to how to make Yast refresh. Any suggestion greatly appreciated. TIA

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mikus＠bga.com

19 Feb 19 Feb

19:50

New subject: [SLE] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:44:19 -0600 Sunny wrote:

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Hi, sorry for the double-post, but I do not know if this is 64-bit specific, as I do not have 32-bit intsallation to test.

Anyway: SuSE 10 x86_64 kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default xorg - 6.8.2-100.2 ati prop. driver - 8.22.5-x86_64 (tried 8.21.7 - same problem) videocard - ATI X800 - ExpressPCI KDE - 3.5.1 Level "a"

The problem: Using the switch user option of KDE to start a new kdm for a second user to login works OK, The user can login. But if then I try Ctrl-Alt-F7 to return to the other session, or when I close the new session, or if I switch to virtual terminal (Ctrl-ALt-1..6), and try to get back to any X one (Alt7-8) it badly hangs the machine. No remote access either, so I can not kill the X server.

Looks like the problem is with the ati proprietary driver, as if I uninstall it and use the generic one, everything works just fine.

Do someone have such a problem? Is it isolated only to the 64bit version, or it happen with the 32 bit as well?

On my 32-bit system (9800 Pro) [everything latest] I can switch between users (Alt7-8) without problem. [However, screen F8 is not 3D hardware accelerated.] On my 64-bit system (X800 PCIE) [everything latest] I have the same problem as you. My bypass is to go to another desktop in F7 and there 'su' to the other user. The only clue is in /var/log/Xorg.20.log: the fglrx message "Failed to initialize UMM driver"; and at the end messages from AUDIT three times: "client 3 rejected from local host" "Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1"

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Any suggestions how to solve/or at least debug and try to solve the problem? ATI's site is horrible, so before I even try to deal with them, I'd like to receive as much as possible information.

No suggestions. But on the ATI site I once had a complaint, and they were quick and courteous in explaining what I had done wrong. [I had to navigate around to find where to communicate with ATI -- I think the page was called "Feedback" or something like that.] mikus

Sunny

21:35

New subject: [suse-amd64] Re: [SLE] ATI driver hangs the machine when switching users

On 2/19/06, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:

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On my 64-bit system (X800 PCIE) [everything latest] I have the same problem as you. My bypass is to go to another desktop in F7 and there 'su' to the other user.

Hmm, it's not going to work for me. I want my wife and daughter to be able to login, while I have left my desktop locked, because of some process running, so they do not mess my things. And it'll be hard to make them su every program they need ...

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The only clue is in /var/log/Xorg.20.log: the fglrx message "Failed to initialize UMM driver"; and at the end messages from AUDIT three times: "client 3 rejected from local host" "Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1"

Unfortunately, it speaks nothing to me.

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No suggestions. But on the ATI site I once had a complaint, and they were quick and courteous in explaining what I had done wrong. [I had to navigate around to find where to communicate with ATI -- I think the page was called "Feedback" or something like that.]

Yeah, I'll definitely try this (I found it already). Just wanted to have more info about the topic, so I can refer them to the mail archives.

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mikus

Thanks and cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

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