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[opensuse-project] Changes in Bugzilla
by Andreas Jaeger 24 Mar '07

24 Mar '07

I'd like to inform you about the following two changes to bugzilla: openSUSE 10.3 ============= We have created a new product and opened it. Some of the bugs that will not be fixed for 10.2 are moved over to that product. SUSE Linux 10.0 =============== Our policy is to only fix security bugs for released products and we fix the occasional critical bugs. Security bugs are reported by the security team and with 10.1 out and 10.2 nearly finished, we're not fixing critical bugs anymore so we do not really need a public bugzilla here. We do see some misuse especially with 10.0 where people report bugs against different products or ask for general help and have therefore decided to make it non-public tomorrow. SUSE Linux 10.1 will stay open for now - and openSUSE 10.2 is the product we're working on, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] NIC
by Jay Smith 06 Jan '07

06 Jan '07

So, I figure you guys developing Opensuse may know what's going on. I am running an MSI computer with Microstar International motherboard, Intel 915 chipset, etc. The driver is Realtek for my wired NIC and when I installed 10.1, during the hardware scan, it found it. After install, it couldn't recognize it as wired NIC so I can't get wired internet. When I look at Hardware details, it is listed. I am using the SMP version of the kernel. Can you tell me how to get my wired NIC working? My wireless is working (ipw3945ABG) minus the fact that it has a 5 ft range. It is listed as eth1 and requires that I push a button to turn on the wireless NIC. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Mark Shuttleworth 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

Novell’s decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek We are hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community - in any capacity, including developers and package maintainers. If you want to find out how Ubuntu works, how to contribute or participate, or how to get specific items addressed, there will be something for you. I’ll also be on IRC on Tuesday 28th to answer any questions you may have of me specifically, such as Luis’ questions about our position on software patents at http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/11/22/and-ubuntus-patent-stand/ There are a couple of sessions that would be particularly interesting for folks familiar with OpenSUSE. The Kubuntu team is hosting some events during the week to look at KDE and Ubuntu and to discuss the roadmap of their project. There are also a few events being hosted by the Ubuntu Desktop team’s, which I think should include some discussion of the ideas that came from the recent Ubuntu Developer Summit in Mountain View. There are a couple of Packaging 101 and Package Maintenance sessions too, specifically for developers. Ubuntu is structured to empower our community to get things done, and to maximise the opportunity for collaboration between teams that share a common vision (even if it’s not 100% of their vision, such as between the Gnome, KDE and XFCE desktop teams). While we’re always open to new members, we thought it would be a good idea to identify a dedicated week where new members would be the focus for our whole project. If you have an interest in being part of a vibrant community that cares about keeping free software widely available and protecting the rights of people to get it free of charge, free to modify, free of murky encumbrances and “undisclosed balance sheet liabilities”, then please do join us. I know that posting this message to an OpenSUSE list will be controversial. I'm greatly respectful of the long tradition of excellence in the SuSE product and community and have no desire to undermine that with this post. That said, I think the position taken by Novell leadership in their contract with Microsoft is hugely disrespectful of the contributions of thousands of GPL programmers and contributors to SuSE, and I know that many are looking for a new place to get involved that is not subject to the same arbitrary executive intervention. Ubuntu is one option, as are Gentoo, Debian and other communities. Please accept this mail in that spirit. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Introduction
by James Ruffer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Thank you for allowing to join the community. I would love to help by offering my project management skills. I am currently working with a computer forensics company and would like to donate more time to the SUSE OS. Please feel free to contact me directly. Also I have a collocation center in NY that I would be more than happy to mirror SUSE as well as run some open project management software for all to use. -- Thank you for your time. James F. Ruffer III MSCE, CNA, CCNA, & BSDI Administrator Albany, Manhattan, Chicago, Memphis and Dallas 1.518.271.1844 Mobile --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Jay Smith 27 Nov '06

27 Nov '06

As a linux developer, I think you are aware of the GPL. Microsoft CANNOT have their way, they are entering into our territory. Also, they have issued their agreement towards individual developers which is also holding them at bay. Microsoft simply cannot sue GPL developers. They are also being forced to document their source code which is probably why they are entering this pact in the first place. I seriously doubt, with their history in regards to Microsoft, that Novell approached MS about this deal. Microsoft has to comply to OUR rules cause they are entering OUR territory. They cannot take over GPL software, there are too many strikes against them to do so even if they wanted to. They've also released their own agreement which makes it hard if not impossible for Microsoft to impose their patents. Let's face it, in regards to Linux, it's more than making a better Linux, it's about making a better IT environment. Great, we can have an awesome Linux that can only function in a Linux environment. I don't know that I'd want to be a mortgage company trying to run encompass on Wine with little support other than a mailing list and forum. If this pact works out, Linux and MS will be more interoperable than ever before. That's what we want, an IT environment where you can have Windows and/or Linux and be able to function just fine. And what makes you think you can protect any of us if "Microsoft has their way"? You're GPL too, there's more to SuSE than the SuSE code. There is also other GPL software like KDE, GNOME, etc. IF "Microsoft had their way", it's game over for all GPL developers, not just the SuSE ones because GPL extends into Ubuntu and other distros. I seriously doubt Microsoft can attempt to take over since Linux and Open Source is a community, not a corporation, the GPL stands, other MS and Novell agreements stand to keep them at bay, and Microsoft has strikes against them with the EU and people all over the globe. Let people develop with whom they want to. Don't disrespect any of us. I guarantee you, with you trying to enter the Enterprise arena, you're going to wish that you had some sort of interoperability setup. Because most proprietary solutions are in place and have been for years. It'd be really hard to replace that so it's easier to try to make it work on Linux. Let all of us developers be Mark. On Mon Nov 27 1:57 , Mark Shuttleworth sent: >Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> There's been a lot of confusion and misrepresentation - and maybe not >> the best reaction from Novell to all the concerns and fears that the >> contract raised - but I do see us on the same side: as part of the >> open source community. >> >> Mark, I'd like to invite you to discuss what possibilities we have to >> work together against the domination of Microsoft on the desktops - >> instead of fighting against each other. >> >> I would prefer to see more users switching from Windows to Linux than >> just Linux users switching distributions. >> >Agreed, and I'm very happy to look for ways in which we can improve >collaboration between Ubuntu and SuSE. We all want to see Linux >distributions get stronger, and the proprietary platform forced to >compete on a more open and healthy basis, and collaboration between >distributions improves our chances of achieving that goal. > >There is room for many Linux distributions, and SuSE has obviously >earned its place at the table through its long history of technical >excellence. My mail was in no way denigrating SuSE, it was only pointing >out the existence of the Ubuntu Open Week to those developers who happen >to be looking around now because of the Novell stance on patents and the >related Microsoft deal. And these concerned developers do exist - I've >fielded several personal emails from SuSE developers shocked at the deal >and looking to find out what Ubuntu's position on these matters is, with >a view to switching if their questions are satisfactorily answered. > >I don't in any way blame the SuSE community for the Novell deal. It's >not your fault that Novell accepted the terms of Microsoft's offer, >perhaps without thinking of the consequences. But make no mistake that >the consequences will be severe if Microsoft is allowed to maintain >their view that the deal entitles them to claim that any Linux >deployment must pay them a patent licence. Samba, the kernel, X, and >many other pieces of the Linux desktop would be severely compromised if >that pans out the way Microsoft would like. This is a serious, serious >threat. I'm working hard to make sure that anybody, anywhere in the >world can use a computer free of charge and study how it works - and >this deal is a major offensive by the other side. Bruce Parens, the >Samba Team, the Open Invention Network and others have all spoken out in >protest because they can see what a devastating effect it will have if >Microsoft carries the day on this one. > >I know many SuSE developers share the same goals as the Ubuntu project, >so collaboration should be our primary goal. And I'm happy to work with >you to figure out how we do so. Perhaps we can devote some time during >the Open Week to discussing collaboration between distros, too? You'd be >welcome to join us. Also, I would be happy to visit your next meeting, >or online forum, to talk about this further, just let me know when and >where. > >Mark >(gpg-signed to avoid further speculation on authenticity :-)). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Proposal for opensuse-advocacy mail list.
by Rajko M 27 Nov '06

27 Nov '06

I would like to propose a new mailing list opensuse-advocacy The topic of the list would be as any other advocacy newsgroup or mail list. The reason is that recent discussions about the deal between Microsoft and Novell clogged opensuse(a)opensuse.org with a lot of threads that IMHO are not off topic for catch-it-all list, but for sure dimminished our ability to see a lot of postings from people that need help on other issues. Please, give your opinion. -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Upgrade from one suse to the next
by Jay Smith 25 Nov '06

25 Nov '06

THanks. I think I'll try it just for the sake of pure curiousity. LOL, I'll also download 10.2 when the final stable release is done. On Sat Nov 25 0:59 , Darryl Gregorash sent: >On 2006-11-23 01:04, jdd sur free wrote: >> Jay Smith a Ã©crit : >>> Hey, with the upcoming arrival of OpenSuse 10.2, I was wondering, can >>> anyone tell >>> me how to upgrade from one suse to a higher version w/o having to use >>> a CD/DVD? I >>> am imagining that there must be some way to upgrade from OpenSuSe >>> 10.1 itself or >>> online or something. Let me know if anyone has any idea. Thanks >> >> this is explained on the wiki >> jdd >> >> >Which you have to dig a lot in to find :-) > >Since the OP doesn't appear to subscribe to opensuse (at least he >doesn't post there), here's my reply from there (with caveat spelled >properly this time): > >http://en.opensuse.org/Updating_SUSE_Linux > >Essentially you are just adding the new version's installation >repository as an installation source, and updating everything for which >a newer version is available (which of course will be everything you >have installed already). If you have installed anything from an external >repository, eg. from Packman or the opensuse "additional" repositories, >you will also have to amend those entries to point to the new version's >packages. Anything which cannot be upgraded must be removed. > >Caveat emptor -- there is a strong warning at the top of the page that >this procedure is not supported, and I suspect the overwhelming majority >of the list's members would strongly recommend against it. > >-- >The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/sÂ² > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Some "noble silence" please (was: Invitation to OpenSUSE developers)
by Rajat Upadhyaya 25 Nov '06

25 Nov '06

>>> Darryl Gregorash <raven(a)accesscomm.ca> 11/25/06 12:15 PM >>> So what's the SABDFL (presumably a reference to Shuttleworth) in Burgundavia's blog mean, "self-appointed, benign and divine, fearless leader"? Self-appointed benign dictator for life, AFAICT. Rajat --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Upgrade from one suse to the next
by Jay Smith 25 Nov '06

25 Nov '06

Hey, with the upcoming arrival of OpenSuse 10.2, I was wondering, can anyone tell me how to upgrade from one suse to a higher version w/o having to use a CD/DVD? I am imagining that there must be some way to upgrade from OpenSuSe 10.1 itself or online or something. Let me know if anyone has any idea. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Jay Smith 24 Nov '06

24 Nov '06

I have no problem with you expressing an opinion, we are open after all. I do have a problem with you showing disrespect to OpenSuSE. Sure Novell might be making a pact with Microsoft which in some ways are benefitting us because there is a gap between windows and Linux and on a business perspective, that gap NEEDS to be closed, but we are our own programmers. We are as open source as Ubuntu is. We may have a corporation behind us but so does UBuntu, Canonical if I am not mistaken. I am sure that Ubuntu will be in the same shoes as Novell one day since Canonical seems to want to make Enterprise Level Linux and in reality, the only way to do so is to figure interoperability with Windows and possibly Mac. I do IT consulting for Open source and while I am crusading for open source, I also realize that due to the gap between OS Platforms, it is difficult to make someone want to move. Some people have a very special software that only works for Windows. Software like Encompass and there are very few, if any alternatives that will work on Linux. I think interoperability is a great idea as long as Microsoft doesn't attempt to take over Linux, which they can't thanks to the GPL, and I doubt that this community will allow it to. We may have a corporation backing us, but moving to Ubuntu won't solve it since Ubuntu is part of Canonical. I am not saying that no one should go join Ubuntu, I am part of Ubuntu myself, what I am saying is that your reason shouldn't be because Novell is a huge corporation or this whole Microsoft pact. Your reason should be more noble and as for you Mark, please do not enter are mailing lists and bad mouth our projects and suggest we move to yours. That is very tactless, especially for those reasons. On Fri Nov 24 10:16 , Mark Shuttleworth sent: >Novellâs decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent >framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the >community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the >long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of >the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek > >We are hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to >join the Ubuntu community - in any capacity, including developers and >package maintainers. If you want to find out how Ubuntu works, how to >contribute or participate, or how to get specific items addressed, there >will be something for you. Iâll also be on IRC on Tuesday 28th to answer >any questions you may have of me specifically, such as Luisâ questions >about our position on software patents at >http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/11/22/and-ubuntus-patent-stand/ > >There are a couple of sessions that would be particularly interesting >for folks familiar with OpenSUSE. The Kubuntu team is hosting some >events during the week to look at KDE and Ubuntu and to discuss the >roadmap of their project. There are also a few events being hosted by >the Ubuntu Desktop teamâs, which I think should include some discussion >of the ideas that came from the recent Ubuntu Developer Summit in >Mountain View. There are a couple of Packaging 101 and Package >Maintenance sessions too, specifically for developers. > >Ubuntu is structured to empower our community to get things done, and to >maximise the opportunity for collaboration between teams that share a >common vision (even if itâs not 100% of their vision, such as between >the Gnome, KDE and XFCE desktop teams). While weâre always open to new >members, we thought it would be a good idea to identify a dedicated week >where new members would be the focus for our whole project. > >If you have an interest in being part of a vibrant community that cares >about keeping free software widely available and protecting the rights >of people to get it free of charge, free to modify, free of murky >encumbrances and âundisclosed balance sheet liabilitiesâ, then please do >join us. > >I know that posting this message to an OpenSUSE list will be >controversial. I'm greatly respectful of the long tradition of >excellence in the SuSE product and community and have no desire to >undermine that with this post. That said, I think the position taken by >Novell leadership in their contract with Microsoft is hugely >disrespectful of the contributions of thousands of GPL programmers and >contributors to SuSE, and I know that many are looking for a new place >to get involved that is not subject to the same arbitrary executive >intervention. Ubuntu is one option, as are Gentoo, Debian and other >communities. Please accept this mail in that spirit. > >Mark > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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