[opensuse-project] NIC

Jay Smith

26 Nov 2006 26 Nov '06

05:24

So, I figure you guys developing Opensuse may know what's going on. I am running an MSI computer with Microstar International motherboard, Intel 915 chipset, etc. The driver is Realtek for my wired NIC and when I installed 10.1, during the hardware scan, it found it. After install, it couldn't recognize it as wired NIC so I can't get wired internet. When I look at Hardware details, it is listed. I am using the SMP version of the kernel. Can you tell me how to get my wired NIC working? My wireless is working (ipw3945ABG) minus the fact that it has a 5 ft range. It is listed as eth1 and requires that I push a button to turn on the wireless NIC. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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Boyd Lynn Gerber

26 Nov 26 Nov

14:14

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Jay Smith wrote:

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So, I figure you guys developing Opensuse may know what's going on. I am running an MSI computer with Microstar International motherboard, Intel 915 chipset, etc. The driver is Realtek for my wired NIC and when I installed 10.1, during the hardware scan, it found it. After install, it couldn't recognize it as wired NIC so I can't get wired internet. When I look at Hardware details, it is listed. I am using the SMP version of the kernel. Can you tell me how to get my wired NIC working? My wireless is working (ipw3945ABG) minus the fact that it has a 5 ft range. It is listed as eth1 and requires that I push a button to turn on the wireless NIC. Any ideas?

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Grozdan Nikolov

4 Dec 4 Dec

18:02

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Hi, I have a proposal I'd like to make to you guys. Wouldn't it be much better to introduce a "year version release system". I mean it would be much better to name a release after the year it is released. For example, we could have openSUSE 2007.1 (for first release in 2007) or openSUSE 2007.2 (for the second release in that year). We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me. Greets, GN -- Windows: a 64-bit service pack to a 32-bit extension and GUI shell to a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor and sold by a 2-bit company than can't stand 1-bit of competition --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

19:01

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Hi, On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 19:02:49, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me.

Why? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Grozdan Nikolov

19:15

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On Monday 04 December 2006 20:01, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 19:02:49, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me.

Why?

I don't know, it just sounds odd to me, and none of the other distros have such a high release number. I also think that by doing a "year release number" like 2007.1 or 2007.2 will point out to new comers to Linux with what version they are dealing, like from which year the version they are using is. Also it would be good, IMO, that SUSE releases only once a year. I don't know if this is possible and if Novell has something to say about it, but by releasing only once a year we could have a far more stable, well tested, less bug prone, releases. From what I read on various SUSE forums, that is also what the community wants. Most of them are not very happy with the 6 months release cycle SUSE has. They say, that the SUSE team rushes things too much and produces less stable/more bug prone releases (10.1 with its broken package management anyone?) and tries to patch them after the new release. They, and I'm one of them, also claim that SUSE's quality testing has dropped very low. Also, most SUSE users want to use their system a little longer before upgrading to a newer release. Greets, GN -- Windows: a 64-bit service pack to a 32-bit extension and GUI shell to a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor and sold by a 2-bit company than can't stand 1-bit of competition --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

19:50

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On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 08:15:56PM +0100, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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On Monday 04 December 2006 20:01, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 19:02:49, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me.

Why?

I don't know, it just sounds odd to me, and none of the other distros have such a high release number. I also think that by doing a "year release number" like 2007.1 or 2007.2 will point out to new comers to Linux with what version they are dealing, like from which year the version they are using is.

Also it would be good, IMO, that SUSE releases only once a year. I don't know if this is possible and if Novell has something to say about it, but by releasing only once a year we could have a far more stable, well tested, less bug prone, releases. From what I read on various SUSE forums, that is also what the community wants. Most of them are not very happy with the 6 months release cycle SUSE has. They say, that the SUSE team rushes things too much and produces less stable/more bug prone releases (10.1 with its broken package management anyone?) and tries to patch them after the new release. They, and I'm one of them, also claim that SUSE's quality testing has dropped very low. Also, most SUSE users want to use their system a little longer before upgrading to a newer release.

The release cycle has changed to 8 months already. 10.1 had in stability due to hurried development of a new feature _past_ beta deadline... (due to enterprise version interlock). You will find 10.2 much more stable. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

21:09

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Hi, On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 20:15:56, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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On Monday 04 December 2006 20:01, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 19:02:49, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me.

Why?

I don't know, it just sounds odd to me, and none of the other distros have such a high release number. I also think that by doing a "year release number" like 2007.1 or 2007.2 will point out to new comers to Linux with what version they are dealing,

Whats the difference to some other number?

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like from which year the version they are using is.

Ah that. Of what use would that information be? I cant think of any. And if someone is as braindead as that and has a problem with numbers that do not correlate directly with a date i dont think your scheme would help very much...

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Also it would be good, IMO, that SUSE releases only once a year. I don't know if this is possible and if Novell has something to say about it, but by releasing only once a year we could have a far more stable, well tested, less bug prone,

very old, very boring

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releases.

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They, and I'm one of them, also claim that SUSE's quality testing has dropped very low.

I dont think this is true. In the past we always had bad releases because someone f***ed up / something vital was FUBAR. We have that now and we will have that in the future. I remember 5.3, 6.1, 7.1, 8.2 and more. All utterly broken piles of dogpoo...

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Also, most SUSE users want to use their system a little longer before upgrading to a newer release.

An no one forces them to do so. SUSE users have two years before they "have" to update. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Grozdan Nikolov

21:15

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On Monday 04 December 2006 22:09, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 20:15:56, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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On Monday 04 December 2006 20:01, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Monday, December 04, 2006 at 19:02:49, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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We are already at openSUSE 10.x, and after a few years we could reach openSUSE 14 or 15, this just sounds a little odd to me.

Why?

I don't know, it just sounds odd to me, and none of the other distros have such a high release number. I also think that by doing a "year release number" like 2007.1 or 2007.2 will point out to new comers to Linux with what version they are dealing,

Whats the difference to some other number?

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like from which year the version they are using is.

Ah that. Of what use would that information be? I cant think of any. And if someone is as braindead as that and has a problem with numbers that do not correlate directly with a date i dont think your scheme would help very much...

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Also it would be good, IMO, that SUSE releases only once a year. I don't know if this is possible and if Novell has something to say about it, but by releasing only once a year we could have a far more stable, well tested, less bug prone,

very old, very boring

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releases.

[...]

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They, and I'm one of them, also claim that SUSE's quality testing has dropped very low.

I dont think this is true. In the past we always had bad releases because someone f***ed up / something vital was FUBAR. We have that now and we will have that in the future. I remember 5.3, 6.1, 7.1, 8.2 and more. All utterly broken piles of dogpoo...

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Also, most SUSE users want to use their system a little longer before upgrading to a newer release.

An no one forces them to do so. SUSE users have two years before they "have" to update.

Henne

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jdd sur free

21:27

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Henne Vogelsang a écrit :

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They, and I'm one of them, also claim that SUSE's quality testing has dropped very low.

I dont think this is true. In the past we always had bad releases because someone f***ed up / something vital was FUBAR. We have that now and we will have that in the future. I remember 5.3, 6.1, 7.1, 8.2 and more. All utterly broken piles of dogpoo...

and don't forget the pile others distros have :-)))

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Also, most SUSE users want to use their system a little longer before upgrading to a newer release.

An no one forces them to do so. SUSE users have two years before they "have" to update.

may be Novell could give one extra year for the box owners, this would be much more interesting than the immediate support I never had to use. the 5 years of SLED may be too much for an individual... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

21:46

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On Monday 04 December 2006 22:27, jdd sur free wrote:

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the 5 years of SLED may be too much for an individual...

It's actually 7 years for SLES and SLED. And yes, given the complaints on these lists if the latest KDE packages aren't out the second they are released, I have a feeling many people would get very bored It does however bring back to my mind my suggestion for a distribution scheme, where a release consists only of the base packages, the core OS. Then on top of that have add-on products like KDE, Gnome, Apache etc. all shipped as individual CD addons, separate products. Then you could have a stable core, well tested and integrated, and have more frequent updates of the desktop eye candy Ideally, it would also force the people who produce statistics on security bugs to separate a bug in e.g. koffice from a bug in glibc or the kernel, bringing some sort of sanity to the numbers --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

houghi

5 Dec 5 Dec

00:15

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On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 10:46:52PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Monday 04 December 2006 22:27, jdd sur free wrote:

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the 5 years of SLED may be too much for an individual...

It's actually 7 years for SLES and SLED.

What I would like to see for openSUSE (on SUSE) is that therefresh overlaps the new release better with the versions going out of service. e.g. 9.2 was just taken out of updates. Why not wait till the closest version was released. Now people are forced to either be without security updates, or install a version, loosing 7-8 months running time, because they install SUSE 10.1. If SUSE would have waited an extra month, the people could have gone from 9.2 to 10.2. I know I would be frustrated about it if I were still running 9.2. About the version numbering, it has already been stated that the numbering has no real purpose, exept for marketing, so let's leave it at that. I asume that when SLES and SLED come out, openSUSE will become openSUSE 11. (Yeah, it goes to eleven) houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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Carlos E. R.

01:52

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e.g. 9.2 was just taken out of updates. Why not wait till the closest version was released. Now people are forced to either be without security updates, or install a version, loosing 7-8 months running time, because they install SUSE 10.1.

If SUSE would have waited an extra month, the people could have gone from 9.2 to 10.2.

I think you have a point.

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About the version numbering, it has already been stated that the numbering has no real purpose, exept for marketing, so let's leave it at that. I asume that when SLES and SLED come out, openSUSE will become openSUSE 11. (Yeah, it goes to eleven)

Year number version could be nice and informative; for instance, some new chap buying it on a shop would know if he was getting the latest or not. But it is just a number, after all. I don't see the need to change, it is good enough as it is now, so I don't vote for changing that. It would introduce confusion. But I would like to see 10.3, .4, .5... etc. No need to change to 11.x till a really big thing changes, like kernel 2.8. Doesn't matter much for me, anyway. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdNDztTMYHG2NR9URAiEFAJ9wFFWyJRAm31R7Uuin6fam+qYZPgCeOkJW orgHB+a8a0/8kcO0RD3CD0o= =JZCv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

d.gavrilovic

03:32

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On 12/4/06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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About the version numbering, it has already been stated that the numbering has no real purpose, exept for marketing, so let's leave it at that. I asume that when SLES and SLED come out, openSUSE will become openSUSE 11. (Yeah, it goes to eleven)

Year number version could be nice and informative; for instance, some new chap buying it on a shop would know if he was getting the latest or not.

I don't agree. But it's just a subjective opinion. Having the year or month release -- I can't personally see a benefit to that. Will I really care that I am using the SUSE released in Dec 2006 in a year from now? All I really care about is that I am using a good and stable release. What might be interesting and useful might be tacking on something to distinguish exemplar releases. Perhaps based on least amount of bugs/complains/issues received by SUSE teams 6 months after the release. So for example, you might having something like this for the 9.x series. - SUSE 9.0 - SUSE 9.1+ - SUSE 9.2 - SUSE 9.3 I have no idea how practical or doable something like this would be. Am I am sure holes can be poked at the idea. It's just an idea. -- "Develop success from failures. Discouragement and failure are two of the surest stepping stones to success." - Dale Carnegie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

houghi

08:22

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:52:50AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If SUSE would have waited an extra month, the people could have gone from 9.2 to 10.2.

I think you have a point.

I hope people will listen to it. :-)

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About the version numbering, it has already been stated that the numbering has no real purpose, exept for marketing, so let's leave it at that. I asume that when SLES and SLED come out, openSUSE will become openSUSE 11. (Yeah, it goes to eleven)

Year number version could be nice and informative; for instance, some new chap buying it on a shop would know if he was getting the latest or not.

No, he would not, unless he would know when the last one was made. openSUSE 2009.2 Is that an old one or a new one if you buy it in september?

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But it is just a number, after all. I don't see the need to change, it is good enough as it is now, so I don't vote for changing that. It would introduce confusion.

But I would like to see 10.3, .4, .5... etc. No need to change to 11.x till a really big thing changes, like kernel 2.8.

That is if version numbering would be dependent on something. It isn't. It is just a marketing tool. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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Carlos E. R.

11:38

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Year number version could be nice and informative; for instance, some new chap buying it on a shop would know if he was getting the latest or not.

No, he would not, unless he would know when the last one was made. openSUSE 2009.2 Is that an old one or a new one if you buy it in september?

Well, I would buy that 2009.2 version fast! I could be selling it to developers, so that they could gain some extra vacation while they copy pasted that into the current version ;-) Seriously, I know of people that were charged about 60 euros in a shop for a SuSE box that was over a year old, ie, two versions outdated. That's cheating and unfair and unethical and whatever - by the shop owner, of course. The buyer was dumb to not check first in internet, but we all do dumb things now and then. Perhaps, only perhaps, if the version number of software indicated the year that would not be so easy to happen. But anyway, I'm not for the change. I'm just thinking aloud about it :-)

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But I would like to see 10.3, .4, .5... etc. No need to change to 11.x till a really big thing changes, like kernel 2.8.

That is if version numbering would be dependent on something. It isn't. It is just a marketing tool.

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houghi

13:03

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:38:18PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Seriously, I know of people that were charged about 60 euros in a shop for a SuSE box that was over a year old, ie, two versions outdated. That's cheating and unfair and unethical and whatever - by the shop owner, of course. The buyer was dumb to not check first in internet, but we all do dumb things now and then. Perhaps, only perhaps, if the version number of software indicated the year that would not be so easy to happen.

So a customer buying "HoughiSoftware 2004" now, is he being ripped of or not? I will tell you what the latest version of this hypotetical package is AFTER you answer yes or no. ;-) houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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Carlos E. R.

13:24

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So a customer buying "HoughiSoftware 2004" now, is he being ripped of or not? I will tell you what the latest version of this hypotetical package is AFTER you answer yes or no. ;-)

That's a trick question :-P SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-) At least, if I were about to buy a software labeled "2004" I would try to get more info before opening my purse. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdXL+tTMYHG2NR9URAu/IAJ9BcmdunvYKpkQ7eHW3EYbvrhxOxgCdHFVV FT68ZJYMY/XW7h4qtnqsGkU= =PenD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

14:13

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Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-)

no more, then it's 8 month per version, you remember? so the two years maintenance is no more a good system. should be three hole cycle, that is 8x3=24 month (is that not two years?) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18:15

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 15:13 +0100, jdd sur free wrote:

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SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-)

no more, then it's 8 month per version, you remember?

Yea, I know, but even so, we do get two versions inside a single year - kind of twisted math of mine :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdbdLtTMYHG2NR9URAu3mAJ9BPcZ/9mX5wnTFhNNW2QmPRXyy5QCfa2Sx eFDJZkUGHIZ4pbN+KgZbmP4= =MWqD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

houghi

14:14

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:24:13PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 14:03 +0100, houghi wrote:

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So a customer buying "HoughiSoftware 2004" now, is he being ripped of or not? I will tell you what the latest version of this hypotetical package is AFTER you answer yes or no. ;-)

That's a trick question :-P

Yes, it is. :-D

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SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-)

SUSE pops one every 8 months from now on.

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At least, if I were about to buy a software labeled "2004" I would try to get more info before opening my purse.

That is because you are aware that a new release is out more then once per year. It is very likely that the customer who bought the old version is not aware of that. I have no idea how Novell (pr previously SUSE) handles overstocking. Most likely the store will be stuck with it and sell the then 90USD fill version for a reduced price of 60USD. Oh, interested in buying the 'New' 10.1? http://www.suseshop.be/ :-/ I have not seen any pre-order places for 10.2 anywhere. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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HG

10:07

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Hi! On 12/5/06, houghi wrote:

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If SUSE would have waited an extra month, the people could have gone from 9.2 to 10.2.

I know I would be frustrated about it if I were still running 9.2.

We are still running 9.2 and yes, we are frustrated! (Yes, we have some test servers running 10.1... and that is why we didn't upgrade) And yes, we will be downloading the 10.2 for immediate tests as soon as metalinks are available ;-) -- HG. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Silviu Marin-Caea

10:15

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On Tuesday 05 December 2006 12:07, HG wrote:

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Hi!

On 12/5/06, houghi wrote:

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If SUSE would have waited an extra month, the people could have gone from 9.2 to 10.2.

I know I would be frustrated about it if I were still running 9.2.

We are still running 9.2 and yes, we are frustrated!

(Yes, we have some test servers running 10.1... and that is why we didn't upgrade)

Perhaps you should consider the Enterprise products. They are designed to prevent this kind of frustration you have. BTW, the life cycle is clear and known for SUSE Linux consummer products: 2 years. You probably didn't know that, but this information has always been public.

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And yes, we will be downloading the 10.2 for immediate tests as soon as metalinks are available ;-)

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Carlos E. R.

11:41

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BTW, the life cycle is clear and known for SUSE Linux consummer products: 2 years. You probably didn't know that, but this information has always been public.

Yes, that is known. But on other occasions those two years were stretched a month or two in order to overlap the release of a new version. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdVrTtTMYHG2NR9URAmJ0AKCKOgnZXkZ2b2vd4OncFPRW5reXqgCfXDqv Q+YEwWnILxQ03Y1I2jb+zVk= =Mkwd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

houghi

13:07

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:41:06PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 12:15 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

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BTW, the life cycle is clear and known for SUSE Linux consummer products: 2 years. You probably didn't know that, but this information has always been public.

Yes, that is known. But on other occasions those two years were stretched a month or two in order to overlap the release of a new version.

Indeed, I am not talking about adding years. I am talking about adding a month or so. That way you will get 2 years worth of your new installation, instead of a year and a half. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:41:06PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 12:15 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

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BTW, the life cycle is clear and known for SUSE Linux consummer products: 2 years. You probably didn't know that, but this information has always been public.

Yes, that is known. But on other occasions those two years were stretched a month or two in order to overlap the release of a new version.

Indeed, I am not talking about adding years. I am talking about adding a month or so. That way you will get 2 years worth of your new installation, instead of a year and a half.

I'm not talking about adding years either, but a month or so. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdXNUtTMYHG2NR9URAouCAJ41qUR29YRj7SO008M2M4NuvRMd/wCeIOf0 kxkWZ+e8iCTU0RnFm0o38Jg= =E+ab -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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15:15

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Hi, I am sorry to take your time but wanted to invite you to coopeartion again, as I didn't get any feedback to my previous message.

You should not hijack threads, especially if you're trying to enlist the help of subscribers. Please don't use your mail client's Reply function when originating new topics.

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15:34

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I am so sorry for hijacking. I wasn't aware of the sin i was commiting. I will not do it any more! Sorry. On Tuesday 05 of December 2006 16:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Tuesday 05 December 2006 06:10, Magdalena Błaszczyk wrote:

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Hi, I am sorry to take your time but wanted to invite you to coopeartion again, as I didn't get any feedback to my previous message.

You should not hijack threads, especially if you're trying to enlist the help of subscribers.

Please don't use your mail client's Reply function when originating new topics.

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Gerald Pfeifer

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11:45

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:

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I don't know, it just sounds odd to me, and none of the other distros have such a high release number.

Red Hat is around 15 already: 9 (from Red Hat) + 6 (from Fedora). Their marketing people just decided to start from scratch. And following current release numbering, Fedora will reach version 14 before we do with openSUSE. :-) And, heck, the version of less I am currently running is 394. :-) Gerald --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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