any ideas on why i'm suddenly getting a number of these, please?

scsijon

Can you toss up the full headers and/or full message content? (assuming it's email)

At 04:29 PM 11/10/2004, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Monday, 11 October 2004 10.39, scsijon wrote:

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any ideas on why i'm suddenly getting a number of these, please?

scsijon

At 04:17 AM 11/10/2004, Felix Miata wrote:

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<<< No Message Collected >>>

I assume you're running sendmail there, since that is a sendmail error message. Did you recently change or upgrade something about the mail server configuration? The sendmail release notes say the message is produced "if a message data file can't be opened at delivery time". Perhaps some anti-spam upgrade or similar that causes problems?

Added info that i've just realised is that only some messages are getting these following. to steve, yup, this is all in the message box, headers etc are matching real message. to anders, maybe, all I've done lately is added some sites and ports to my ignore list. Will look into it further, thanks for the thought. scsijon

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 04:21, David Robertson wrote:

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Yesterday, my system stopped in the middle of the shutdown procedure. The filesystems were not unmounted at time, afaik.

Now, during boot I get "no operating system found". That might be explainable as the file system were not unmounted, but... I get the same message while using knoppix.... The bootorder is first removable media, CD, HD. What may cause this, is the MBR just correct, and does that influence booting from CD with knoppix??

Looking forward to the ultimate trick!

You should still be able to boot from the cd - are you sure that the bios isn't set to boot from the HD first, and are you sure that the cd is OK? Have you booted from it before?

David

And you are sure there is no floppy in the drive? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*

Op maandag 11 oktober 2004 10:37, schreef - Edwin -:

Okay, I'm assuming this is a desktop. First, make sure that there's no floppy in the drive and boot again from the CD.

Ahum, shame on me! The ulimate trick is to remove the floppy disk from the floppy drive. I indeed put that one in yesterday evening... Thanks a million!! -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

On Monday 11 October 2004 1:38 am, Richard Bos wrote:

Op maandag 11 oktober 2004 10:37, schreef - Edwin -:

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Okay, I'm assuming this is a desktop. First, make sure that there's no floppy in the drive and boot again from the CD.

Ahum, shame on me! The ulimate trick is to remove the floppy disk from the floppy drive. I indeed put that one in yesterday evening... Thanks a million!!

It's nice to know I'm not the only one:-) Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA

I remember my wife's friend asking me to find a windoz 3 icon she had lost, was *behind* another icon. And the user who's monitor failed, had not turned it on (didn't usually turn it off).

At a place where I used to work, we used to "test" the first-level phone techs (who would do the basics of making sure the customer had the keyboard plugged in, power on, toner in the printer, etc) but switching off their power strips on the way out the door at night. It was a good laugh in the morning when they couldn't get their PCs booted :) Evil, evil people!!!

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Steve Kratz [10-11-04 17:05]:

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At a place where I used to work, we used to "test" the first-level phone techs (who would do the basics of making sure the customer had the keyboard plugged in, power on, toner in the printer, etc) but switching off their power strips on the way out the door at night. It was a good laugh in the morning when they couldn't get their PCs booted :) Evil, evil people!!!

Yes, several years ago when I was in tech school, we would wire short the heater pins in tube sockets. Evil was *fun*.

In one place where I worked, we'd take a single strand of wire from AC power cable and wrap it around the pins on someone's power plug, and wait for him to plug it in. In high school electronics shop, we'd charge a capacitor to a about 200V and toss it to someone. And many years ago, I was taking a course on the Datapoint 2200, which used cassettes for data storage. I'd wait until someone was almost finished typing in his program code, and then "accidentally" trip over the power cord, before he had a chance to save his code. ;-)

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 03.39, James Knott wrote:

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In one place where I worked, we'd take a single strand of wire from AC power cable and wrap it around the pins on someone's power plug, and wait for him to plug it in.

In high school electronics shop, we'd charge a capacitor to a about 200V and toss it to someone.

And many years ago, I was taking a course on the Datapoint 2200, which used cassettes for data storage. I'd wait until someone was almost finished typing in his program code, and then "accidentally" trip over the power cord, before he had a chance to save his code. ;-)

You're either dangerously insane or lying through your teeth. Let me guess: "joke ideas I thought up while reading BOFH episodes"

They are real. And there are many others. For example, I used to service teletypes many years ago. Those devices had tape punches. We'd get some of the chad (the stuff they love in Florida <g>) and put it under the fan of a machine that someone else was working on, and wait for them to turn it on. Then there's the stink bomb taped to the break pedal of a Volkswagon Beetle, in February, or moving that same VW, with the key lock only on the drivers side, so that the drivers door was up against a wall etc. Ahhh... The good old days. ;-)

Hi, On Monday 11 October 2004 18:50, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 03.39, James Knott wrote:

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In one place where I worked, we'd take a single strand of wire from AC power cable and wrap it around the pins on someone's power plug, and wait for him to plug it in.

In high school electronics shop, we'd charge a capacitor to a about 200V and toss it to someone.

When I was a kid I reached into the high voltage cage of a television. I was sure that overnight was long enough for the charge to bleed off. Wrong!!

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And many years ago, I was taking a course on the Datapoint 2200, which used cassettes for data storage. I'd wait until someone was almost finished typing in his program code, and then "accidentally" trip over the power cord, before he had a chance to save his code. ;-)

You're either dangerously insane or lying through your teeth. Let me guess: "joke ideas I thought up while reading BOFH episodes"

Occam's razor: Don't posit insanity (or sociopathy) when forgetfulness (clumsiness) will explain the symptoms. To wit: When I was an admin in our college Unix lab and responsible for both hardware and software maintenance, on various occasions I: 1) Swapped the arguments on the "dump" command and ended up trashing the first several blocks of the disk (but who needs a boot block or a super block?). 2) Tripped over a power cord. This was during final exam period and the system was under very heavy load. I was not popular that day. And this was a system 6 (or maybe 7) Unix, and there were considerable file system fragilities, especially by comparison to today's crash-robust file systems. 3) Put a good disk pack in a drive that had experienced a head crash, though I didn't know it at the time, of course. But then again, I really should have... Live and learn, I guess. RRS

Randall R Schulz wrote:

Occam's razor: Don't posit insanity (or sociopathy) when forgetfulness (clumsiness) will explain the symptoms.

That's Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity", although it is an extension of Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor is: "one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything". i.e. keep it simple. -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2

*** Reply to message from (Ted Harding) on Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:02:14 +0100 (BST) One more candle and a trip around the Sun*** <lots of stuff snipped>

"If it's a conceivable possibility, then somewhere in the world it happens."

OMG! we have arrived at last at the point where all outcomes are posible???? I'm definately not prepared for THAT ! <G> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

* James Knott [10-12-04 14:29]:

I suppose it *MIGHT* be possible for Dubya to fairly win an election. ;-)

Politics is not germane to the discussion of SuSE linux or linux in general and therefore not on topic for this forum, and this is not the first time that you have crossed that line. The suse-ot list was provided expecially for the type of comment you have made and belongs there. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Tuesday 12 October 2004 22:13, Fred Miller wrote:

On Tuesday October 12 2004 3:53 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* James Knott [10-12-04 14:29]:

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I suppose it *MIGHT* be possible for Dubya to fairly win an election. ;-)

Politics is not germane to the discussion of SuSE linux or linux in general and therefore not on topic for this forum, and this is not the first time that you have crossed that line. The suse-ot list was provided expecially for the type of comment you have made and belongs there.

It's flame bait and that's all it is. Inaccurate flamebait and he's been warned about it before!!!

Well, there is a tendency to slide to off-topic conversation lately. Even after a problem is marked with '[SOLVED]' in the subject. So Patrick is right. I know that those OT-conversations are fun for those people (I see that), but I really think they should be kept to a minimum here. I estimate that OT-conversations contribute for roughly 50% of the messages here. Fred: Altough your message is a flame bait (or is it bite?) too, I am simply reacting upon it, and in essence talking to all those people who contribute to the OT-conversations lately. To all those people I say: please move those OT-conversations to suse-ot, where they belong. Cheers, Leen

tisdag 12 oktober 2004 21:23 skrev James Knott:

I suppose it *MIGHT* be possible for Dubya to fairly win an election. ;-)

Pardon my french, I don't speak it ... but is this SuSE-Politics?

You're either dangerously insane or lying through your teeth. Let me guess: "joke ideas I thought up while reading BOFH episodes"

I can vouch for the fun of the charge-capacitor trick... Learned that from a high-school physics teacher that got tired of people stealing parts from the electronics drawers before class. He simply charged the caps, left them in the drawer, end of problem :)

try doing in front of about 50 engineers with a new minicomputer, I forgot to remove the second cartridge tape (no os). Only discovered it after about 30min. scsijon At 04:46 PM 11/10/2004, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Richard Bos [10-11-04 16:26]:

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Thanks, everyone for responding. I resolved the problem, by removing the floppy from the drive.... It would be a nice question on an sysadmin exame ;)

Gives one a somewhat sheepish feeling <grin>, which I am sure nearly everyone has experienced at one time or another. At least those who utilized a computer before they stopped installing floppy drives.

You could have a similar experience back before hard drives from the opposite condition, a missing floppy.

I remember my wife's friend asking me to find a windoz 3 icon she had lost, was *behind* another icon. And the user who's monitor failed, had not turned it on (didn't usually turn it off).

gud day,

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A few years ago, I attended a Warp Server course. One of the students didn't even know how to put a floppy disk in the drive!

I can't believe it. An honest to God OS/2 guru on this list. Where the heck were you 5 years ago when I couldn't get Warp Server to install! (hung on the 3rd diskette IIRC). :-) IBM told me I that wasn't a bug so if I wanted to learn how to install I had to buy a service contract. Actually I really ought to be thankful since that was the moment I said "Yeah right!" and decided to take a look at Linux. BTW, I still have OS/2 running on half a dozen boxes (legacy apps and all). I actually still like OS/2 and have never forgiven IBM for screwing up the best 32 bit OS of it's time. Jeff

She was apparently filling in for her boss, who was the original registrant for that course.

He was generally useless and a liar, not things that normally get one too far in the old IBM culture.. still, it drove me to Linux and that essentially drove me to Suse, so all in all I got the best of it I suspect <G>

Yup. DOS -> OS/2 OS/2 -> Redhat Redhat -> SuSE It's the natural progression. Evolution if you will. ;-) We should be thanking Gates and IBM for teaching us that there had to be a better way! PS. My French is a bit rusty (That is French, right? OK, my French is *really* rusty). What does your sig say? I used to have a link to a translator but I lost it somewhere. Jeff

On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 05.11, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

PS. My French is a bit rusty (That is French, right? OK, my French is *really* rusty). What does your sig say? I used to have a link to a translator but I lost it somewhere.

It's Latin, in Frenglish it would be "Ne fouques pas aveq moi" babelfish.altavista.com is a fairly decent translator, but in the case of known phrases, google.com works too. There's bound to be a few sites that give the translation

On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 13:28, James Knott wrote:

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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DOS -> OS/2 OS/2 -> Redhat Redhat -> SuSE

It's the natural progression. Evolution if you will. ;-) We should be thanking Gates and IBM for teaching us that there had to be a better way! }

My path was similar, except I started with VAX/VMS, then DOS.

how about HP Fortran -> DOS/VSE(mainframe) -> Wang OS -> Pc-Dos -> Vax/VMS -> Windows -> OS/2 -> SCO Unix -> Slackware -> Redhat -> SuSE Shit... Where was QNX?, before or after Slackware? My Point is: there are a lot of us who have been around for a while, so you are going to get clobbered by us Oldies, when you start counting... 8-) Jerry

*** Reply to message from James Knott on Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:25:15 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

Or perhaps you simply had come to expect better than Windows.

yup! first computer I got to "play w/" was a huge IBM monster that took up one whole floor of the building and was for guys to write programs etc for the monters at Cheyene MT, and similar places ( there's one in Canada as well ) The only version of windows I ever saw would crash imediately it was invoked... or worse, locked the system so there was no out but a reset button... I don't believe it ever got too much beyond that.. the w2k version I tested did in fact spit out the media of an Orb drive when a user was trying to do a backup... aimed right at said user's head... That was apparently also duplicated in Sweden at some computer school only it was aimed in that case at a secretery .. Apparently w2k didn't like anyone making backups... <evil grin> When it ate my OS/2 hard drive I decided that was enough testing of it.. and even more so when they didn't actually want anyone to send in bug reports, it would interfere w/ the release date.. I fear the modern computers , at least the desktops don't respond well to "Brogan maintenence" once favoured by Militery types. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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A few years ago, I attended a Warp Server course. One of the students didn't even know how to put a floppy disk in the drive!

I can't believe it. An honest to God OS/2 guru on this list. Where the heck were you 5 years ago when I couldn't get Warp Server to install! (hung on the 3rd diskette IIRC). :-) IBM told me I that wasn't a bug so if I wanted to learn how to install I had to buy a service contract. Actually I really ought to be thankful since that was the moment I said "Yeah right!" and decided to take a look at Linux. BTW, I still have OS/2 running on half a dozen boxes (legacy apps and all). I actually still like OS/2 and have never forgiven IBM for screwing up the best 32 bit OS of it's time.

5 years ago, I was working at IBM Canada, doing 3rd level support & integration testing. Yes, it was the best desktop system and in many ways is still better than Linux. I have seen nothing that even comes close to what the WPS (desktop) can do. And multitasking was far better than anything in Windows and in some ways even better than Linux. I still have one system running OS/2 here.

On Tuesday 12 October 2004 08:29, Felix Miata wrote:

Read my headers. Maybe I can someday figure out how to run my trusty old DOS SVGA text apps under Linux and switch entirely myself. --

Have you tried dosemu?? Runs rather well. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/12/04 08:47 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Honk if you love cheeses."

On Tuesday 12 October 2004 08:59, Felix Miata wrote:

Tried a couple years ago, never could figure it out. OS/2 works so well there's little incentive to leave. Besides, WPS is light years faster than KDE on my 8 year old ET6x00 video cards that provide SVGA text modes equalled by nothing since.

I ran OS/2 for about 9 years.... But was also learning Linux after about 1995. In summer of 2000 I decided it was time to really cut the cord and I figured it would take a long time to move everything over to Linux. It took about a week and the OS/2 box (still here) hasn't been turned on since that time. (still running some DB3 under dosemu) -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/12/04 09:46 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Basic Baggage Principal: "Whatever carousel you stand by, your baggage will come in on another one."

Felix Miata wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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I still have one system running OS/2 here.

Read my headers. Maybe I can someday figure out how to run my trusty old DOS SVGA text apps under Linux and switch entirely myself.

I believe you can run many DOS apps in Linux. If they don't have any specific hardware requirements, they should run fine.

On Wednesday 13 Oct 2004 03:21, Michael W Cocke wrote:

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:29:32 -0400, you wrote:

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James Knott wrote:

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I still have one system running OS/2 here.

Read my headers. Maybe I can someday figure out how to run my trusty old DOS SVGA text apps under Linux and switch entirely myself.

Have you tried X-dosemu works ok here with older vga/svga apps even use it to programe my PMR radios dos based prog not found anything that won't run yet ..

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Yea gimme cooling i got enough fans running here to blow the QE2 off course and still gets it's undies in a knot at times liquid nitrogen cooling now there's an idea .

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Wednesday 2004-10-13 at 09:33 +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:

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Yea gimme cooling i got enough fans running here to blow the QE2 off course and still gets it's undies in a knot at times liquid nitrogen cooling now there's an idea .

The new thing (for new chips to be) seems to bee coolant flowed _inside_ the chip, at just the boiling point of the coolant. It evaporate faster precisely on those regions of the chip which are hotter, thus keeping an uniform temperature on all the surface.

That's been around for years. About 8 or 9 years ago, I saw a chip from IBM, that used liquid cooling. A similar systems has been used for decades, with high power vacuum tubes and even some antique cars used it.

On Thursday 14 October 2004 18:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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decades, with high power vacuum tubes and even some antique cars used it.

I think that not quite... I mean inside the chip, in contact with the silicon itself. I saw the technical report somewhere, perhaps in the ieee spectrum.

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At 07:21 AM 12/10/2004, James Knott wrote:

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

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A few years ago, I attended a Warp Server course. One of the students didn't even know how to put a floppy disk in the drive!

I can't believe it. An honest to God OS/2 guru on this list. Where the heck were you 5 years ago when I couldn't get Warp Server to install! (hung on the 3rd diskette IIRC). :-) IBM told me I that wasn't a bug so if I wanted to learn how to install I had to buy a service contract. Actually I really ought to be thankful since that was the moment I said "Yeah right!" and decided to take a look at Linux. BTW, I still have OS/2 running on half a dozen boxes (legacy apps and all). I actually still like OS/2 and have never forgiven IBM for screwing up the best 32 bit OS of it's time.

5 years ago, I was working at IBM Canada, doing 3rd level support & integration testing.

Yes, it was the best desktop system and in many ways is still better than Linux. I have seen nothing that even comes close to what the WPS (desktop) can do. And multitasking was far better than anything in Windows and in some ways even better than Linux. I still have one system running OS/2 here.

until we lost support of an os/2 package (programmer finally retired) there were a lot of emergency services using it. you can guess where they went (and wished they hadn't ever more). on the other hand I still tripple boot with os/2 , win98 and 8.2 as I still find os/2's db2 still the most robust database for multidimensional calculations. scsijon

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

I have to say this is more than a little ironic. For years I never met another person who ran OS/2 (although I did once get a list of local users from an OS/2 group. Team OS/2 maybe? There were like 5 members in the entire region). Now here I am years later on a SuSE list and they're coming out of the woodwork. :-) Go figure. Are all (all, hehe) OS/2 users migrating to SuSE?

I suspect many people are running Linux for the same reason they used to run OS/2. They want a reliable and flexible OS, which rules out Windows. Now, if only IBM would port the WPS (Work Place Shell desktop) to Linux. There's no other desktop I've seen that comes anywhere near to what the WPS can do.

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

I have to say this is more than a little ironic. For years I never met another person who ran OS/2 (although I did once get a list of local users from an OS/2 group. Team OS/2 maybe? There were like 5 members in the entire region). Now here I am years later on a SuSE list and they're coming out of the woodwork. :-) Go figure. Are all (all, hehe) OS/2 users migrating to SuSE?

Probably. IBM uses SuSE as its Linux of choice internally, so it gets recommended, and installed, a lot, an account of IBM. -- "[W]hoever finds me finds life....[A]ll who hate me love death." Proverbs 8:35-6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/