Why is it that when somebody holds a view contrary to another list member they get told that they are a 'newbie' in a derogatory manner? To be a newbie is not a sin, it is not a crime and so - IMHO - should not be used in a derogatory manner as it has been applied to myself earlier in this thread. Now I could well have - and with some right - gone off in a real ranting tirade about this. I have seen this sort of behaviour so often though - calling people silly names - that it now washes over me so I'll keep it civil. Now, as for me being a newbie? Well, I first tried Linux back in about 1997 or 98. It's been so long ago that I cannot truly remember. So, you tell me, am I still a newbie? I don't mind at all just please, do not use the term as if you are swearing. After all, remember that there are million s upon millions of alternative OS users out there who we on this list and other distro's lists would like to try out and eventually move over to using Linux. If the term newbie is seen as a derogatory term then what hope do we have? If my belief about how the reply thing should work is contrary to yours then that does not make it wrong it just makes it different. There is for and against the different ways of making it work and I accept the way it works on this list. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On Monday, August 22, 2005 @ 6:20 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2005-08-22 at 13:47 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Now, as for me being a newbie? ... So, you tell me, am I still a newbie? ^^^ ... If my belief about how the reply thing should work is contrary to yours ^^^^^

I said no such thing.

I think you replied to the wrong poster. Please, be careful when you post replies to include part of the text to which you are answering, and the name and date of the person involved: don't just insert your answer anywhere in the thread as an answer to somebody else that didn't say anything specifically to you.

- -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

That happened to me yesterday. Notes started showing up with "Greg Wallace wrote", with a little bit of heat directed to me when I didn't actually even write what was being attributed to me. I never bothered to straighten it out but you hate to have things attributed to you when you were not even the "instigator", so to speak. Greg Wallace

Carl Hartung wrote:

Sorry to inject this here, but I can't hold my tongue any longer. I *told* the OP he was going to ignite a useless 100+ post thread on a worn-out subject...

Hey SS! See what you did? What did I warn you was going to happen!?

Okay okay okay. :) At least I did nothing to inflame the thread, and I have no extinguisher available that can douse this burning thread. But how in Tux's name am I supposed to know which topics ignite flames and which do not?

(Are we up to 100 yet?)

Didn't search. Deleted most of this thread from Mozilla. -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org (o- Penguin #395953 //\ running on ancient Indian wisdom V_/_ and modern computing efficiency

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That guy with the problem hasn't infiltrated this list has he? The guy who was on the Spanish list? I hope not.

Ah, no! You'd know if he did! X'-)

As for my upset...what upset..it's forgotten. Now, let's all get back to the task in hand and that is helping each other out with concern to the many iterations of SuSE Linux.

Please :-)

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On 22/08/05, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Kevanf1 [08-22-05 07:48]:

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Why is it that when somebody holds a view contrary to another list member they get told that they are a 'newbie' in a derogatory manner? To be a newbie is not a sin, it is not a crime and so - IMHO - should not be used in a derogatory manner as it has been applied to myself earlier in this thread.

You, yourself, made the implication, then take offence without showing cause. Derogatory manner??? The comment had nothing to do with a contrary opinion, but with the calculated observation.

Previously:

* Kevanf1 [08-21-05 17:01]:

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I'm not holding my breath mate. You and I seem to 'know' that other mailing lists have it right - ...

your opinion _only_

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well this is the first one that I have ever known to do things in this way.

Hummm, newby

Perhaps a question mark after 'newby' would have lent more understanding?

Have a good day, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

I beg to differ, Patrick. I did not make that remark. Perhaps the way the post has been cut has caused some confusion? If you look at the quote marks you will see that the 'newby' comment came after I had made my comment. One thing I would never do is to use the term newby in a derogatory manner. In fact, I wouldn't even call somebody a newby with spelling. I tend to spell it newbie :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On 8/22/05, Carlos E. R. wrote: <snip>

Interestingly, you are using a software that is not "thread aware" (it erases In-Reply-To and References headers):

X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4

just an fyi: the just released GroupWise version 7 (client and smtp gateway) is now thread aware.