On 01/05/12 18:02, Steven Hess wrote:

People offended by sigs are welcome to filter them. Just like I have done to lots of 'noise' on this list.

____________ Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Google Voice 661 769 6201 �+SMS openSUSE Linux 12.1

And you are able to do this using your google account? How can others who don't use google are able to do this? I am using Thunderbird and would be glad for you to tell me how I can do this with TB. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/12 19:20, Steven Hess wrote:

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/05/12 18:02, Steven Hess wrote:

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People offended by sigs are welcome to filter them. Just like I have done to lots of 'noise' on this list.

____________ Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Google Voice 661 769 6201 �+SMS openSUSE Linux 12.1

And you are able to do this using your google account?

How can others who don't use google are able to do this?

I am using Thunderbird and would be glad for you to tell me how I can do this with TB.

BC

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Yes I am using Gmail and those posters now go to the bit bucket. However Thunderbird should be able to do that too I'd think.

Wait a minute..... What you just said is that you bit-bucketing people. But what you were suggesting in your previous post is that you can filter out the offending sigs themselves, "offended by sigs are welcome to filter them". BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 5/1/2012 5:20 AM, Steven Hess wrote:

Yes I am using Gmail and those posters now go to the bit bucket. However Thunderbird should be able to do that too I'd think. What if one of those filtered messages just happens to have a great answer to a problem that you post?

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On Tue, 01 May 2012 16:33:46 +0530, Steven wrote:

Sent from my iPad.

On May 1, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Damon Register wrote:

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On 5/1/2012 5:20 AM, Steven Hess wrote:

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Yes I am using Gmail and those posters now go to the bit bucket. However Thunderbird should be able to do that too I'd think. What if one of those filtered messages just happens to have a great answer to a problem that you post?

Damon Register

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Reducing the signal to noise ratio is worth that risk.

personal decision everyone has to take for themselves. me, i'm not too much bothered by 'noise,' since it doesn't take long to delete a post or jump to the next one. may be different for others, of course. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 01 May 2012 16:56:21 +0530, Steven wrote:

So far only on person on all the lists has managed to get such treatment. It is a much better solution than more rules.

+1 -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Damon Register wrote:

On 5/1/2012 5:20 AM, Steven Hess wrote:

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Yes I am using Gmail and those posters now go to the bit bucket. However Thunderbird should be able to do that too I'd think. What if one of those filtered messages just happens to have a great answer to a problem that you post?

Damon Register

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Steven Hess wrote:

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Small-minded results from small-minded solutions.

Who pooped in your cereal?

Who pooped in yours? Or are you going to argue that bit-bucketing someone's posts SOLELY over the fact that you didn't like their .sig is somehow *NOT* small-minded. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 02 May 2012 14:26:25 -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote:

What does all of this have to do with linux?

Nothing, it seems that some folks needed something to bikeshed about. Perhaps those folks should take this discussion to the offtopic ML where it belongs. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 5/1/2012 2:17 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

There's no ground for treating the signature separately.

That view is contrary to the entire history and meme of email sigs on the internet. Often these are inserted by a script, totally disconnected from message content. You are advocating treating random witticisms equally with directly written content. Like objecting to flower images on postage stamps and therefore refusing to open the letter. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012/05/01 09:52 (GMT-0700) John Andersen composed:

Per Jessen wrote:

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There's no ground for treating the signature separately.

That view is contrary to the entire history and meme of email sigs on the internet.

Often these are inserted by a script, totally disconnected from message content. You are advocating treating random witticisms equally with directly written content.

Like objecting to flower images on postage stamps and therefore refusing to open the letter.

ROFLOL! Great analogy! :-D -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Tuesday, 2012-05-01 at 09:52 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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On 5/1/2012 2:17 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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There's no ground for treating the signature separately.

That view is contrary to the entire history and meme of email sigs on the internet.

I don't care what the signature says, I seldom read it. And if I don't like it, I refrain from comment.

Ditto.

The only objection I have seen in rules somewhere is about size of the signature.

Plus the ridiculous corporate style with 10 lines of legalese. They seem to have become less popular though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 02:06:04 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Tuesday, 2012-05-01 at 09:52 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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On 5/1/2012 2:17 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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There's no ground for treating the signature separately.

That view is contrary to the entire history and meme of email sigs on the internet.

I don't care what the signature says, I seldom read it. And if I don't like it, I refrain from comment. It is part of the netiquete.

The only objection I have seen in rules somewhere is about size of the signature.

++++++100000000 I would prefer to watch signatures related to the proper FLOSS project than outside from the openSUSE Project (OBS, Samba, LibreOffice, GNOME, KDE, etc). openSUSE Projects are the point of convergence. All other is divergence. Posting something helpful for "everybody" could improve (y)our lifes. Posting something marginal and offensive keep us on the margin. Anyway it is your call. To troll or Not to Troll, that's the Question and the point of break. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Linux Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 09:52 -0700, John Andersen wrote:

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On 5/1/2012 2:17 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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There's no ground for treating the signature separately. That view is contrary to the entire history and meme of email sigs on the internet.

Who cares. Any 'overall convention' is trumped by the specified policies and conventions of the specific forum or list.

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Often these are inserted by a script, totally disconnected from message content. You are advocating treating random witticisms equally with directly written content.

Turn such foolishness *off*. It does not contribute and, obviously from that this thread even exists, occasionally distracts and sidelines the 'actual' content.

The whole controversy was stupid to begin with, and a perfect example of how Islam destroys other cultures -- they whine and throw fits -- and then when there are enough of them, they turn to violence and even murder -- whenever anyone criticizes their culture..and ONLY their culture. It's like in South Park, in which various religious beliefs were lampooned, and Isaac Hayes had no problem with that, but when HIS beliefs (Scientology) received similar treatment, he threw a temper tantrum like a spoiled child. Such a hypocrite -- Although I like Isaac Hayes (and some of his old songs), I think the South Park guys were right to not only write him out of the show, but to do it in the most humiliating manner possible -- to call attention to Hayes' double standard (you all can make fun of any religion except for mine). Muslims are the same way, and Henne should be ashamed of himself for catering to it. It's no wonder Europe is suffering from cultural destruction at the hands of Muslims who insist that European culture must change to please those who LEAVE THEIR OWN CULTURE to be in Europe. If Islamic culture, and the political systems it produces were really so great, then what are those people doing in Europe in the first place. Henne's actions are symptom of the greater Islamification of Europe (and by that, I don't mean tolerance of Islam, but Islam taking over and slowly turning Europe into just another vassal state of the Muslim radicals). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

On 01/05/12 19:17, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/05/12 17:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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However, this is not really the crux of the problem.

I think the problem is that sig *are* allowed in posts to the openSUSE lists - and this is particularly unwholesome because there are no rules governing what they may contain. Well, yes there is Basil - whatever rules and conventions we apply to what you write are also applied to your sig. But the "rules and conventions" are nothing more than "rules and conventions" and are not set in stone: they are simply guidelines which are subject to peer pressure to be "enforced". And to be "enforced" by whom? By one person who is persuaded to enforce them if he is lobbied to do so by some unknown person or persons and if he is in the mood to act. In other words, the process is simply SUBJECTIVE. Very true, but my main point was that whatever people write in their sigs is (or should be) treated exactly like the rest of the posting. There's no ground for treating the signature separately.

If you look very carefully at the end of a post you will see that there are 2 "--" with a space immediately after them but which I will not insert here to be on the safe side.

These dashes indicate the end of the message.

What is added after these dashes is unrelated to the actual message but is transmitted and displayed at the receiver's end as appearing to be part of the message.

Back in "old days" such addons were frowned upon as they added to the length of a message which cost the Sysop (System Operator) of a BBS (Bulletin Board Service) money because all mail was sent via the telephone lines and mostly on timed telephone call rates.

Now a days nobody gives a rat's because of broadband and because people accept that being wasteful is no longer a big deal - except to those who are still on dial-up connections.

The text body of a message and the addon, the signature, are 2 separate things - and there is no need for the addon because it is not a mandatory appendage to make the message reach its destination.

BC

This is the best reason why Fred should have never been banned in the first place. He was attacked for a .sig, and then banned for making a rational defense against the mind-control technique of political correctness which deems certain topics and terms off limits from even being discussed, which is a violation of a fundamental HUMAN RIGHT to free speech. Fred was banned for defending the right to NOT self-censoring his .sig, which in my judgement, is nothing less than ostracizing someone for not giving into some Muslim's inane demands that his religion, and his religion ONLY not be criticized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/12 19:28, phanisvara das wrote:

On Tue, 01 May 2012 12:45:54 +0530, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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However, this is not really the crux of the problem.

I think the problem is that sig *are* allowed in posts to the openSUSE lists - and this is particularly unwholesome because there are no rules governing what they may contain.

Well, yes there is Basil - whatever rules and conventions we apply to what you write are also applied to your sig.

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Any control as to what they may contain is thrown open to "peer pressure" whereby some wanker(s) may complain about something written, and Henne then comes in and bans a person.

As you will recall, Fred was banned from the lists because some wanker(s) complained about his sig.

Actually, IIRC, he was banned because he was being a stubborn, pig headed fool.

i received this message off-list, but it applies to the current situation, i believe:

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It's a trend I see on the openSUSE mailing lists... when thingsare generally working well for 99% o fthe userbase, the mailing list ends up being a chatter -zone... Things aren't completely broken so "we" collectively start to let out attentions wander.

good to know that there aren't many more serious problems around at present :)

really, if you manage to piss off enough people, be that with your signature, your greeting, or with what you write, they will try to get rid of you. big surprise...

Read my post in the other thread where all this started, ""Video ideas?". Read how many people got "pissed off" to cause one person to be banned. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Insomniactoo wrote:

On Tuesday, 01 May 2012 02:15 Per Jessen wrote:

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Actually, IIRC, he was banned because he was being a stubborn, pig headed fool.

Rather cowardly to say such things about someone who can't come here to defend him/herself against it. You could easily have put the actual reason instead of that crap you did put. Funny how some people get told to quit being personal yet others get to do so with impunity. Enjoy the double-standards.

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David C. Rankin wrote:

On 05/01/2012 02:15 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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wanker(s) complained about his sig. Actually, IIRC, he was banned because he was being a stubborn, pig

As you will recall, Fred was banned from the lists because some headed fool.

And I just slipped right under Henne's the entire time... The good old days...

We're watching you ... just one wrong move :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org