On 2003-10-02, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* J. Dianne Bishop (jennidianne@comcast.net) [031002 22:04]:

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I've tried everything I can think of in all sorts of ways and I still cannot get 3D running on my Linux 8.2 system I bought two weeks ago. SuSE tech support doesn't want to deal with it and will NOT even give me over to PAID support so I can get this problem solved. [...] You could have just gone here..

http://www.ati.com/

Nice job Ben! But obviously this is something SuSE Support should know and could have informed Dianne about. So don't fry her to hard for being upset, we need more females running Linux...:-) Cheers, Helgi Örn -- /// Helgi Örn Helgason, Registered Linux User: #189958 \\\ \\\ ~~~~ SuSE 8.2 * Kernel 2.4.20-4GB * KDE 3.1.4 ~~~~ ///

Hi, I am currently running Suse 8.1 Pro and I am only waiting for Suse 9.0 Pro to be released then I’ll be moving to the new version as skipped one version otherwise this time. Anyway I want to buy a scanner for the first time but not just any scanner it has to be USB and it has to work with Suse and a Scanning application that runs under Linux. I looked at the Suse hardware support database but there are so many in there that I don’t even know what is considered to be a good scanner. I was thinking of a Cannon, HP or another very well known brand. I would also like that the scanner is still been sold and not a scanner that is no longer being produced or supported. If anyone has any comments or recommendation please let me know. Many thanks, Ricardo Wagemaker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GVON BROADBAND ... Just LOOK at these Prices £23 per month for 512K £89 per month for 1M £99 per month for 2M Are these prices for real? You bet. See http://gvon.com for more details and to ORDER NOW ONLINE Managed and Supplied by http://Gvon.Com and http://DomainShop.co.uk Gvon's HeyPresto WebMail is FREE for Customer Use Only

On Friday 03 October 2003 09:39, Ricardo Wagemaker wrote:

Hi,

I am currently running Suse 8.1 Pro and I am only waiting for Suse 9.0 Pro to be released then I’ll be moving to the new version as skipped one version otherwise this time.

Anyway I want to buy a scanner for the first time but not just any scanner it has to be USB and it has to work with Suse and a Scanning application that runs under Linux.

I looked at the Suse hardware support database but there are so many in there that I don’t even know what is considered to be a good scanner. I was thinking of a Cannon, HP or another very well known brand. I would also like that the scanner is still been sold and not a scanner that is no longer being produced or supported.

If anyone has any comments or recommendation please let me know.

I have had very good luck with an Epson perfection 2450 photo: this is one with a transparency adapter built in, and it works beautifully with SuSE 8.2, sane and xsane. As I remember it, I didn't have to do anything to get it working nicely - even the Gimp plugin sorted itself out. HTH Fergus

Many thanks,

Ricardo Wagemaker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GVON BROADBAND ... Just LOOK at these Prices

£23 per month for 512K £89 per month for 1M £99 per month for 2M Are these prices for real? You bet.

See http://gvon.com for more details and to ORDER NOW ONLINE

Managed and Supplied by http://Gvon.Com and http://DomainShop.co.uk

Gvon's HeyPresto WebMail is FREE for Customer Use Only

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The 03.10.03 at 09:39, Ricardo Wagemaker wrote:

I looked at the Suse hardware support database but there are so many in there that I don’t even know what is considered to be a good scanner.

The xsane page is more up to date. There is a nice table somewhere listing the status of support for every scanner. Print it, or just go to your favourite shop, write down the models you like, and go back to inet and check if they work :-)

I was thinking of a Cannon,

Don't!

HP

Some work directly, some not.

or another very well known brand.

Epson is fine. I have a 1650 that works perfectly well :-)

£23 per month for 512K £89 per month for 1M £99 per month for 2M Are these prices for real? You bet.

Can't you remove this "spam" from your signature? :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

* Helgi Örn Helgason (gnu4u@telia.com) [031003 01:17]:

On 2003-10-02, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* J. Dianne Bishop (jennidianne@comcast.net) [031002 22:04]:

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I've tried everything I can think of in all sorts of ways and I still cannot get 3D running on my Linux 8.2 system I bought two weeks ago. SuSE tech support doesn't want to deal with it and will NOT even give me over to PAID support so I can get this problem solved. [...] You could have just gone here..

http://www.ati.com/

Nice job Ben! But obviously this is something SuSE Support should know and could have informed Dianne about. So don't fry her to hard for being upset, we need more females running Linux...:-)

My wife installed SuSE on her Mac by herself. :) I agree we need more females running Linux and I know quite a few who do. And yes, SuSE support should have known that the ATI driver was required for 3D but if the 2D driver works and SuSE is actually installed then there ends "installation support". I don't mean to be harsh and I most likely wouldn't have been if that " But Microsoft whatever..does whatever.." wouldn't have been brought up. This isn't windows. And quite frankly I problably would have been just as snotty with a male at this point. With all the worms, virus's and other crap that Microsoft's malware spreads on a daily basis. I don't care about Microsoft anymore. When my logs stop getting filled with port 135 hits and other assorted goodies..then I mean be a little nicer. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Helgi Örn Helgason (gnu4u@telia.com) [031003 09:20]:

On 2003-10-03, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Helgi Örn Helgason (gnu4u@telia.com) [031003 01:17]:

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Nice job Ben! But obviously this is something SuSE Support should know and could have informed Dianne about. So don't fry her to hard for being upset, we need more females running Linux...:-)

My wife installed SuSE on her Mac by herself. :) I'm impressed! My girl needs to buy a new computer and she wants to have it Linux only. I'm going to hand her the cd's and make her do the job...:o) Linux babes are cool!

Yes, accept when they setup a script to have a xterm popup with a banner saying "TAKE THE TRASH OUT!" and your computer powers off. That wasn't funny. Well, not at the time. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [031003 09:43]:

On Friday 03 October 2003 18.25, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Yes, accept when they setup a script to have a xterm popup with a banner saying "TAKE THE TRASH OUT!" and your computer powers off. That wasn't funny. Well, not at the time. ;)

You give your wife root you live with the consequences :)

Yes. Well, I have root on her machine...and it ends up being a game of tag. :) And we're both good sports about it. *grin* -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

On Friday 03 October 2003 00:15, Helgi Örn Helgason wrote:

So don't fry her to hard for being upset, we need more females running Linux...:-)

If you're serious you need to explain why. If you're jokeing, it would be rather insulting don't you think? You should perhaps get in the habbit of ignoring gender implied by sig lines, and assume implied gender on sig lines may be a convienence of the moment, or a nom-du-net. That incudes me. ;-) -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

fsanta wrote: [snip]

Why not try the new microsoft linux 2003? It works In All ATI cards. You can download it from windows XP.

Aw, c'mon, quit throwing the flames around. After a couple of weeks of headbanging, you'd probably be frustrated. Linux isnt for everyone and there is a degree of overselling going on. Read the stuff on the SuSE or Red Hat packaging. Setting up for Linux still requires more research than folks realize. In any case, look on the bright side. A lot of people are now trying Linux whatever their experiences may turn out to be.

On Friday 03 October 2003 10:31, Ben Rosenberg wrote: [stuff deleted]

Agreed, but it says nothing on the package about 3D. It says that it works. So if X starts and you can work then it does it's job. But when someone comes in here slinging that " But Microsoft works .." crap around when this isn't Windows and ATI doesn't give the same advantages to XFree86 developers that it gives to Windows developers as far as drivers and what not..then I don't want to hear it. I've helped countless people on this list over the years with no payment just the satisfaction that they got their problem solved and were happy about things. I do not care about Microsoft's malware and for her to come here to rant about Linux an say how great MS XP is..no sympathy deserved and none given. If she wanted help and just asked some questions then she would have received it without the vitriol and smart-ass remarks..at least from me.

Ben I basically agree with you. This isn't the way to get assistance. Unfortunately, some don't realize that this list is not SUSE support, I can't tell you why, but it seems to be true. I don't appreciate the list getting hit like that either. However, I have been saying for years that it would be nice when Linux got to the point that the hardware vendors realized that they needed to support Linux. I really didn't anticipate them taking the stance that the video vendors have taken. The fact that they (NVidia and ATI specifically ) produce binary only drivers means that distribution vendors (SUSE, RedHat, Mandrake, etc.) can't distribute the driver with the OS. That automatically makes installation more problematic. Admittedly, SUSE has done reasonably well in attempting to accommodate this with NVidia, but a recent upgrade to the NVidia driver shows that even the "experts" had lots of problems. Unfortunately, I don't see the hardware vendors improving too much on this. I certainly hope that Linux doesn't go closed source to accommodate this (nor do I forsee that happening). This means that the only hope of success in things like this is for the hardware vendors to work more closely with the distribution vendors on releases. This will be more M$ like in that only official releases would be truly supported and anything you do between those is at your own risk (quite like now). And for Linux to penetrate in the home market (necessary for it to become a true desktop OS), 3D will be required. The distribution vendors are sort of burying their heads in the sand about this right now, but it is important. Kids (and others) want to play games. A computer is as much a toy to most families as it is a tool and this must be supported. There have been ventures into this area, but they were premature. Loki was a good example, a great idea, but probably a little too early. Maybe someone else will venture out into that space in the future and hit gold. Until all of this happens, we will continue to hit by trolls and the unknowledgable with things like this. We might as well be prepared. Some of them can not be satisfied and some of them will vent and then become helpful people in the community. There is no good way to handle them in either case. Sorry for venturing so far into the OT area with this reply. I really didn't intend to do this, but it just seemed to flow once I started typing. Maybe it will generate useful communications somewhere that will help to resolve the issue of binary only video drivers and help us to have better support for that need. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL