On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Patrick Shanahan [08-20-09 13:48]:

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* lynn [08-20-09 13:15]:

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Is 11.2 milestone 5 a good way of getting KDE 4.3 without starting from the 11.1, DVD adding the factory repo and doing the long download?

imnsho  :^)

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Is the milestone very buggy?

very?  Not in my opinion.

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Does anyone use it?

Since 28 June doing daily "zypper dup" w/o many problems and the *only* system downtime is from rebooting for a new kernel.

You really should take this conversation to opensuse-factory where you can find people using, contributing and interested in 11.2  :^)

addendum:  :^)  It is now Milestone 6, and all is rosey.

Milestone 6 download ISOs are not expected until Monday. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Karl Sinn [08-20-09 15:07]:

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addendum:  :^)  It is now Milestone 6, and all is rosey.

For me it's definetely not working. Nothing of what I need is running on the MS5.

the sky is blue today! ?? I cannot see your computer, nor know your requirements. I be not psychic nor possess an operable crystal ball :^) I be an old far? set in my ways. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 20 Aug 2009 21:37:16 Karl Sinn wrote:

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the sky is blue today!

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I cannot see your computer, nor know your requirements. I be not psychic nor possess an operable crystal ball :^) I be an old far? set in my ways.

I don't really understand what you say. Are you saying that I should tell what is not working for me on MS5?

If yes, then please check me mail from monday on opensuse-factory: "[opensuse-factory] Milestone 5, some problems"

I would be happy to get any proposition...

Karl Hi .

If you got a decent internet connection then getting it to function in a fairly useable manner is easy (or it was for me once i got round the freakin ATI crap) all i did was boot into runlevel 3 ie init 3 on the grub options line while booting, Then login as root and run "zypper up" now there are folks out there that are going to say dont ect ect ect all i ca say is it fixed the multiple problems i had . Pete .

Karl Sinn wrote:

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Is the milestone very buggy?

very? Not in my opinion.

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Does anyone use it?

Since 28 June doing daily "zypper dup" w/o many problems and the *only* system downtime is from rebooting for a new kernel.

You really should take this conversation to opensuse-factory where you can find people using, contributing and interested in 11.2 :^)

addendum: :^) It is now Milestone 6, and all is rosey.

For me it's definetely not working. Nothing of what I need is running on the MS5.

Karl

I don't even get as far as doing any "running" :-( . I have now downloaded 3 copies of MS5 - KDE Live CD - and they all end up with a pitch black screen after some whirring activity of the CDs. So I have been playing around with Kubuntu 9.10 - which is very nice, and all things work after a painless installation. (Oh, every copy of the MS I have so far downloaded - beginning with MS2 - produce an error message, "no properly formatted MD5 checksum lines found" when I do the md5sum check on the isos.) BC -- Insanity is only a state of mind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* lynn [08-21-09 07:41]:

As the OP who has followed factory through to Yesterday that seems strange. What I was really looking for in something that installs KDE 4.3 out of the box. That's what my customers have seen and want. May ask what you need and why it doesn't work? Just looking for a quick way of doing it. It's a time and money thing really. A quick way. If I have to install the original 11.1 though, I shall. Looks Like milestone 6 next week is the one.

It is already available: <quote> M6 just has arrived at ftp5.gwdg.de. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) </quote> Note: there have been reports here and in factory of difficulties with "live-CD" installs of ms5 and ms6. I have arrived there via "zypper dup" updates beginning 23 June build 143. I do not know what difficulties will ensue, but I am sure they will be addressed but opensuse-factory would be the place to gain the best knowledge/attention. gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 21 August 2009 17:40:44 lynn wrote:

What's the easiest way forward? They are ordinary people upgrading from XP. Usually single users too.

openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 Live CD http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ 1. Boot from CD 2. Install openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 from the KDE desktop 3. ??? 4. Profit -- “Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.” ☘ Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 21 August 2009 18:40:58 lynn wrote:

On Friday 21 August 2009 18:09:33 Graham Anderson wrote:

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On Friday 21 August 2009 17:40:44 lynn wrote:

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What's the easiest way forward? They are ordinary people upgrading from XP. Usually single users too.

openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 Live CD

http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/

1. Boot from CD 2. Install openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 from the KDE desktop 3. ??? 4. Profit

OMG What a superb idea. You are wonderful.

Kiss and cool beer L x

Thanks, *glug, glug, glug* ;) but the credit goes to Stephan Binner for taking time to create Live CD's with the latest KDE! -- “Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.” ☘ Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri August 21 2009 1:04:10 pm lynn wrote:

On Friday 21 August 2009 18:53:06 Graham Anderson wrote:

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On Friday 21 August 2009 18:40:58 lynn wrote:

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On Friday 21 August 2009 18:09:33 Graham Anderson wrote:

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On Friday 21 August 2009 17:40:44 lynn wrote:

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What's the easiest way forward? They are ordinary people upgrading from XP. Usually single users too.

openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 Live CD

http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/

1. Boot from CD 2. Install openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.3 from the KDE desktop 3. ??? 4. Profit

OMG What a superb idea. You are wonderful.

Kiss and cool beer L x

Thanks, *glug, glug, glug* ;) but the credit goes to Stephan Binner for taking time to create Live CD's with the latest KDE!

oops.

I'm taking it from here. http://software.opensuse.org/developer

But maybe that's still Binner perhaps.

Anyway, glad you liked the beer. Marketing is everything.

L xx

Lynn, I don't think *that* version is very suitable for XP converts. It is a DEVELOPMENT version with all the bugs still attached. The URL given earlier is MUCH better because it installs a current release (11.1) of SuSE upgraded with KDE4.3 and will be much easier and safer to install than an 'alpha/beta' version. Milestone 6, which is what you will get from the /developer site *might* work on many machines but it *won't* work without significant bugs on *any* machine that I know of. Knowledgable people used to "tinkering" with their systems in more than a few cases, have gotten the 'M' series of releases for 11.2 to work relatively reliably, but there are a lot of things not yet set up for general use for the average user....much less a 'newbie'. Just my $.02 worth... Cheers, and good luck.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 22 August 2009 17:28:23 Jay Mistry wrote:

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Lynn, I don't think *that* version is very suitable for XP converts. It is a DEVELOPMENT version with all the bugs still attached.

The URL given earlier is MUCH better because it installs a current release (11.1) of SuSE upgraded with KDE4.3 and will be much easier and safer to install than an 'alpha/beta' version.

Milestone 6, which is what you will get from the /developer site *might* work on many machines but it *won't* work without significant bugs on *any* machine that I know of. Knowledgable people used to "tinkering" with their systems in more than a few cases, have gotten the 'M' series of releases for 11.2 to work relatively reliably, but there are a lot of things not yet set up for general use for the average user....much less a 'newbie'.

Just my $.02 worth...

Cheers, and good luck.... --

You can get the Milestone 6 DVD ISO from http://software.opensuse.org/developer.

Jay

Just been told I should not use that version. Or maybe that is the same version as the binner version which I've just deleted because it was not the correct version. Oh dear. Doesn't take long. Ned to go shopiing anyway. Not easy to find virgin cd's here.that don't seem to stock them anymore. L xx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat August 22 2009 12:29:13 pm lynn wrote:

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The URL given earlier is MUCH better because it installs a current release (11.1) of SuSE upgraded with KDE4.3 and will be much easier and safer to install than an 'alpha/beta' version.

Milestone 6, which is what you will get from the /developer site *might* work on many machines but it *won't* work without significant bugs on *any* machine that I know of. Knowledgable people used to "tinkering" with their systems in more than a few cases, have gotten the 'M' series of releases for 11.2 to work relatively reliably, but there are a lot of things not yet set up for general use for the average user....much less a 'newbie'.

Just my $.02 worth...

Cheers, and good luck....

OK. Have deleted that download. Will try the binner download instead. When I have the live CD can I then go on to install a full system? Does it set up the repos I need eg for Yast? I believe there is an icon on the Desktop called install. Must get a test box going here or sacrifice a box on the lan.

Might I suggest VirtualBox instead of a test box? I try out *all* new versions on a VM and if it doesn't crash and burn, then I try it on a real machine. VirtualBox is free, available in openSuSE versions from within Yast and easy to set up. About the only thing that won't work in the OSE version (free) is USB support, but if you need that, go to Sun (vendor) and download their proprietary version which does support USB and is also free (to individuals, at least) and is also available for most flavors of openSuSE. I happen to like the Sun version because it (to me) has a smoother interface out of the box, but the OSE version works quite well also. A VM is a great test box :)

Thanks again. downloading the binner CD now

L x I think you'll be happier given your 'audience'. 11.2M5&6 are 'fairly' stable at the moment, but it *is* alpha/beta level of development. OpenSuSE no longer *calls* it 'beta', but that is what it is and I wouldn't inflict it on Windoze XP converts with little or no experience with Linux or openSuSE.

Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 20 Aug 2009 21:19:16 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Michael Skiba [08-20-09 15:17]:

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I can't get it to work in a VirtualBox environment - anyone has some ideas? The installation works, but as soon as the actual system starts the display is black.

you got ATI video on that ? Pete

Am Samstag, 22. August 2009 23:55:06 schrieb Michael Skiba:

Am Donnerstag, 20. August 2009 22:56:33 schrieb Peter Nikolic:

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you got ATI video on that ?

Nvidia, but it seems I'm not the only one who's facing that problem.

I had, but MS6 solved the problem for me. Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org