[opensuse] list maintainer please get me off bounces list
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see:
From: Carl Spitzer
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces. Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Ditto. Working perfectly here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see: From: Carl Spitzer
If you want to unsubscribe, please mailto opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org,
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk. So each of you is blaming the other. All I know for sure is its no filter on this machine creating this nonsense. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 18 August 2009 15:51:24 Carl Spitzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see: From: Carl Spitzer
If you want to unsubscribe, please mailto opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org,
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk.
So each of you is blaming the other. All I know for sure is its no filter on this machine creating this nonsense.
It works for everybody else - that's why I'm blaming ;) But please bring *me* in contact with one of the maintainers of MyRealBox and we can figure out together what's broken and how. And if you really want to unsubscribe and it does not work for you, then ask ml-admin@opensuse.org, please. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:58 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 18 August 2009 15:51:24 Carl Spitzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see: From: Carl Spitzer
If you want to unsubscribe, please mailto opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org,
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk.
So each of you is blaming the other. All I know for sure is its no filter on this machine creating this nonsense.
It works for everybody else - that's why I'm blaming ;)
But please bring *me* in contact with one of the maintainers of MyRealBox and we can figure out together what's broken and how.
I was referring to resetting my settings by using an unsub then resub to force changes. That did not work. It does work on Egroups. This is really strange. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see: From: Carl Spitzer
If you want to unsubscribe, please mailto opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org,
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk. === The sender address is open suse-bounce because it intercepts any emails that bounce back from deliver so it can keep track of emails
Carl Spitzer wrote: that don't go through. Is there a problem with that? When you hit reply, it will use the 'sender', not the 'envelope from' field, and/or the 'From:' and/or the reply-to field. The From is the default on this list, and a reply to all will go to the actual user who sent the email, not 'bounce', *and* the list. If, when you reply, your email get addressed to opensuse-bounce, then it is your email software that is looking at the wrong field. But the list software is performing correctly.
So each of you is blaming the other. All I know for sure is its no filter on this machine creating this nonsense.
There is no nonsense. The 'mail-hdr/envelop From field says 'bounce' as that's where email goes if it bounces on delivery -- back to the envelop addr. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
Carl Spitzer wrote:
<Snip>
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk.
If, when you reply, your email get addressed to opensuse-bounce, then it is your email software that is looking at the wrong field. But the list software is performing correctly.
I have a feeling that MyRealBox[0] is rewriting the From: header to match the SMTP envelopes Mail From: rather than his software. Having a quick look back through the messages to this list, I don't see any other Evolution user that is having this problem, which tends to point to something else. Since I haven't seen the same complaint made by users of other mail software, that does point towards MyRealBox as the source of the problem.
So each of you is blaming the other. All I know for sure is its no filter on this machine creating this nonsense.
There is no nonsense. The 'mail-hdr/envelop From field says 'bounce' as that's where email goes if it bounces on delivery -- back to the envelop addr.
I don't think it is the software that's the issue, unless there's a bug in version 2.4.0 which only affected him and not any of the other users of that release. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Bolt wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
If, when you reply, your email get addressed to opensuse-bounce, then it is your email software that is looking at the wrong field. But the list software is performing correctly.
I have a feeling that MyRealBox is rewriting the From: header to match the SMTP envelopes Mail From: rather than his software. Having a quick look back through the messages to this list, I don't see any other Evolution user that is having this problem, which tends to point to something else. Since I haven't seen the same complaint made by users of other mail software, that does point towards MyRealBox as the source of the problem.
----- I think I missed where he said that his email client was 'evolution', but I only have the last 10MB of messages or so in my local store. Also, how does he get his email? 'fetchmail'? It does rewriting as well -- it could be misconfigured as well...(?) Linda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
I think I missed where he said that his email client was 'evolution', but I only have the last 10MB of messages or so in my local store.
He didn't mention his e-mail client so I looked at his headers to see what it was, and then looks to see if there was any others with the same client. There are several others using various versions of Evolution, although none of those have mentioned having the same issue. That's what made me think it's something to do with MyRealBox. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Bolt wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
I think I missed where he said that his email client was 'evolution', but I only have the last 10MB of messages or so in my local store.
He didn't mention his e-mail client so I looked at his headers to see what it was, and then looks to see if there was any others with the same client. There are several others using various versions of Evolution, although none of those have mentioned having the same issue. That's what made me think it's something to do with MyRealBox.
Looking at the MyRealBox site, it appears they also offer webmail. Perhaps Carl can see what that shows, to determine whether it's his mail client or somewhere upstream. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 02:35 +0100, David Bolt wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
I think I missed where he said that his email client was 'evolution', but I only have the last 10MB of messages or so in my local store.
He didn't mention his e-mail client so I looked at his headers to see what it was, and then looks to see if there was any others with the same client. There are several others using various versions of Evolution, although none of those have mentioned having the same issue. That's what made me think it's something to do with MyRealBox.
Except I phoned the man in charge of MyRealBox and he says they just pass things through after using M+ to scan for spam which works quite well. So once again its a setting relative to my other address at the list serve. Perhaps the settings can be examined. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Carl Spitzer wrote:- <snip>
Except I phoned the man in charge of MyRealBox and he says they just pass things through after using M+ to scan for spam which works quite well. So once again its a setting relative to my other address at the list serve. Perhaps the settings can be examined.
Try subscribing with another address and comparing the headers. You don't have to post using the second address, and you could easily un-subscribe after doing the test. That's possibly the only way you're going to find out just where the issue is. Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to do that test myself as they don't presently have a sign-up link, or not one that I've been able to find. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2m5 RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 19:04 +0100, David Bolt wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Carl Spitzer wrote:-
<snip>
Except I phoned the man in charge of MyRealBox and he says they just pass things through after using M+ to scan for spam which works quite well. So once again its a setting relative to my other address at the list serve. Perhaps the settings can be examined.
Try subscribing with another address and comparing the headers. You don't have to post using the second address, and you could easily un-subscribe after doing the test. That's possibly the only way you're going to find out just where the issue is.
Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to do that test myself as they don't presently have a sign-up link, or not one that I've been able to find.
My backup address works just fine this issue is currently only with MyRealBox. The denials of responsibility are not analytical. Until this year I had no problem and I have been using MyRealBox for several years, it was so reliable I put it on my resume. I will call tomarrow and ask the maintainer to reopen subscriptions to MyRealbox. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 14:09 -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
David Bolt wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Linda Walsh wrote:-
If, when you reply, your email get addressed to opensuse-bounce, then it is your email software that is looking at the wrong field. But the list software is performing correctly.
I have a feeling that MyRealBox is rewriting the From: header to match the SMTP envelopes Mail From: rather than his software. Having a quick look back through the messages to this list, I don't see any other Evolution user that is having this problem, which tends to point to something else. Since I haven't seen the same complaint made by users of other mail software, that does point towards MyRealBox as the source of the problem.
----- I think I missed where he said that his email client was 'evolution', but I only have the last 10MB of messages or so in my local store.
Also, how does he get his email? 'fetchmail'? It does rewriting as well -- it could be misconfigured as well...(?)
I doubt its a mis configure as I have five other addresses and free online pop3 providers and only MyRealBox is affected and only recently. when I first set this up there was no problem like this. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:47 -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 16:33 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:29:33 Carl Spitzer wrote:
its munging all senders addresses into opensuse+bounces.
Carl, it does not as others said. Something is wrong at your end.
Looking at your email I see: From: Carl Spitzer
If you want to unsubscribe, please mailto opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org,
I tried the unsub resub routine to reset it but no go. Also I contacted the maintainer of MyRealBox and they claim its not them converting the addresses into the opensuse+bounces junk. === The sender address is open suse-bounce because it intercepts any emails that bounce back from deliver so it can keep track of emails
Carl Spitzer wrote: that don't go through.
Is there a problem with that? It gets munged on emails which make it to me on the myreal box address.
When you hit reply, it will use the 'sender', not the 'envelope from' field, and/or the 'From:' and/or the reply-to field. The From is the default on this list, and a reply to all will go to the actual user who sent the email, not 'bounce', *and* the list. No it does not when I reply it does not show the real authors address that has been changed.
If, when you reply, your email get addressed to opensuse-bounce, then it is your email software that is looking at the wrong field. But the list software is performing correctly.
I am using Evolution under SuSE 10.0 and have no problems with other lists and other emails like this one. the problem is between the list serve and MyRealBox. I have spoken and written to the guy at Messaging Archetects who runs MyRealBox and he says the changes are being done by list serve. the problem is when the bouncing stops the munging continues. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-08-21 at 07:32 -0700, Carl Spitzer wrote:
I am using Evolution under SuSE 10.0 and have no problems with other lists and other emails like this one. the problem is between the list serve and MyRealBox. I have spoken and written to the guy at Messaging Archetects who runs MyRealBox and he says the changes are being done by list serve.
Not true.
It works for everybody except you... and there is no configuration done
per person. You are sent the same thing we are being sent.
Every mail from these lists contains headers like these:
Return-Path:
* Carlos E. R.
My recomendation? Change provider.
Yes, a long time ago, MyRealBox was a test mail server for Novell who provided free accounts (limited number) and had infrequent announced downtimes that the user was obliged to endure or go elsewhere. But Novell sold the service and it went downhill from there. I used to set people up with MyRealBox accounts so that when they changed ip service providers they would not have to notify everyone of their new accounts. This was before gmail and was pretty good, even had html access along with pop/imap. Since the sale I have transferred everyone to gmail as the service provided by MyRealBox not really stinks. It is not worth the money even as a *free* service. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BAD HEADDER
Return-Path:
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 09:23 -0400, opensuse +bounces-93808-cwsiv=myrealbox.com@opensuse.org When I reply to a message on myrealbox in place of the email authors address I get the above. so it makes the threat useless to follow and no one is willing to really look at their settings and see where its gone wrong on list serve or MyRealBox. The reply is to the list with control-L in evolution 2.4.0. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/ | \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\ | \ / | \ || | X |__/| || |( `--. |__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 21 August 2009 09:46:03 am Carl Spitzer wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 09:23 -0400, opensuse +bounces-93808-cwsiv=myrealbox.com@opensuse.org
When I reply to a message on myrealbox in place of the email authors address I get the above. so it makes the threat useless to follow and no one is willing to really look at their settings and see where its gone wrong on list serve or MyRealBox. The reply is to the list with control-L in evolution 2.4.0.
<snip oversized signature>
Carl,
that is "Return-Path:" field and here it is like this:
Hi, Carl Spitzer wrote:
no one is willing to really look at their settings
As i and dozens of others have already told you: This is not a problem with the list. Its either your email provider rewriting the From header or your mail app. Henne -- http://opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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