January 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] I cannot connect to http://forums.opensuse.org/
by Kostas Koudaras 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Hi For some reason I cannot connect to http://forums.opensuse.org/ and I get a Database error message. Anyone with an idea? Thanks Kostas -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions for Board Applicants.
by Nelson Marques 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Dear all, Given the recent events, I decided to compile a small list of questions/topics to present to the contestants to the Board. 1. "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - F. Nietzsche Given the discussion regarding the recent action of the current board in expelling a member, could you please comment the quotation above having in mind that action (and your knowledge about the situation)? 2. "Resentment seems to have been given us by nature for a defense, and for a defense only! It is the safeguard of justice and the security of innocence." - Adam Smith Whats your interpretation of the quote from Adam Smith. 3. Do you consider yourself a 'forgiving' oriented person? Please justify. In case you have restrictions to 'forgiving' could please identify them? Elaborate please. 4. "In general, the Internet was not designed to accommodate deliberate failures to communicate." - Daniel J. Bernstein Could you please give us your interpretation of the previous quotation ? 5. "All governments should be pressured to correct their abuses of human rights." - Richard M. Stallman Should only 'governaments' be pressured to correct abuses on Human Rights? What's your stand regarding Human Rights? Should an organization like openSUSE subscribe the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights? Should be Board be also the safekeeper and Guardion of such? (consider that the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights also contemplates the right to 'defense'). 7. "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." - Mahatma Gandhi Could you please comment the quotation above and relate it to your future position on the Board? Please elaborate. 6. If you take decisions on the Board on behalf of the community and the people that voted on you, do you believe that you should inform those people on controversial disputes about your standing? Where is the line between your own personal standing and the will of those who elected you? Thank you, Nelson. References: * F. Nietzsche - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche * Adam Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith * Daniel J. Bernstein - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Bernstein * Richard M. Stallman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman * Mahatma Gandhi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions for the candidates [Public statement from the Board...]
by jdd 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

I would like to know the opinion of the candidates about the recent action of the board presently discussed on this list. if you had been in the board, would you have supported this action or not and why? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] WTF to do with the Votes
by Stephan Kleine 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi guys, before that whole discussions manages to get even more pointless can we please simply agree that: 1. The poll is open until the end (naturally) 2. Every voter has the right & option to change his / her votes until the poll is closed. This way it is fair - IMHO - and the whole pointless argumentation is void. <snip countless reasons why this is fair just to spare you the spam /> regards, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] IPv6 World Day
by Nelson Marques 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Reference: http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ Though this is by far more interesting for Network Operators, openSUSE enables IPv6. I don't have any knowledge about IPv6 implementation on openSUSE infra-structure, but wouldn't this be interesting to participate and promote ourselfs in an audience that might be interesting? Just a thought. NM -- nelson marques nmo.marques(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I make a motion - [Was: Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member]
by Greg Freemyer 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

As a openSUSE member and assuming I have the privilege: I make a motion that the openSUSE bylaws be updated to allow for formal member petitioning. And if a formal petition supported by 10 members is submitted to the board, the board must call for a all members vote on the matter addressed in the petition. If the matter concerns an improper sanction or appeal of a sanction, then the sanctioned person must be one of the petitioners. === details I serve on a board. There are 2 aspects of that board that seem relevant to the current sanction discussion: 1) A sanctioned / fined person can request a hearing where they can interact with the board. But only once. We don't do it often and prefer to setup meetings specifically to address the hearing, not handle it as part of out monthly meetings. This could clearly be done via IRC for openSUSE. I gather the disbarred person was given the opportunity to make his/her case to the board via emails, so I think this is equivalent, but a more formal IRC meeting would be even better. 2) A petition signed by 10 of the members can be brought to the board and it must be voted on by the whole! ie. if 10 members disagree with a board action (or lack of action) they can file a petition with the board and the board must call a full all member vote on the issue. Obviously this makes the issue semi-public as all members have to be informed of the issues at hand. I don't recall this type of feature being in the openSUSE rules. In this case, if the disbarred person feels wronged and is willing to have the issue addressed with all openSUSE members included in the communication, then he/she would simply need to get 9 other members to join him/her in petitioning for an open hearing / all members vote. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Administrator 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

> Sorry, but in my opinion as the removed member, I see they only use that > argument when they needed it. They have already influenced my private life > by removing my Novell account which grants me access to non > openSUSE related things. Then perhaps we do need greater clarity around what matters should be handled privately, with the assumption that everything else is public (or, at the least, freely available to anyone interested). David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Does openSUSE have an opinion of "Linux capabilities"?
by Jos Poortvliet 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

On Thursday 13 January 2011 17:12:58 Per Jessen wrote: > Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > On Thursday 13 January 2011 08:05:35 Per Jessen wrote: > >> Greg Freemyer wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Cristian Morales Vega > >>> > >>> <cmorve69(a)yahoo.es> wrote: > >>>> 2011/1/12 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com>: > >>>>> And it left me wondering if openSUSE has a plan related to > >>>>> capabilities. Apparently some of the distros are moving to it > >>>>> rapidly in an effort to eliminate SUID programs, but there may be > >>>>> security holes in the new concept too, so it's pretty up in the air. > >>>>> > >>>>> And my other question is where do project level design concepts like > >>>>> this get discussed? > >>>> > >>>> https://features.opensuse.org/307254 > >>> > >>> That looks more like a technical discussion which seems very > >>> appropriate. > >>> > >>> But in this case I was hoping for a statement of direction. > >>> > >>> ie. "The openSUSE community has decided to restrict the use of SUID by > >>> switching to Linux Capabilities instead and is targeting the 12.0 > >>> release to have no SUID programs included in the release." would be a > >>> statement of direction. > >> > >> That would require leadership, foresight and planning. > > > > Or just someone who feels like taking this on. THEN such a statement > > could be produced. > > Hi Jos, > > Not in my opinion. Unless empowered to do so, no arbitrary person can > make such fundamental decisions and claim "the project has decided". > That's called anarchy - maybe that is what we have at the moment? I admit it's a bit more complicated than what I wrote, yes :D The usual community process is probably something like - there is a team responsible for some area and if they have made a decision a statement could be made. IF such a statement is made depends on them thinking about that or not... So in this case, if the people in the openFATE entry decide this is something that has to be done and some are willing to work on it, I guess it might make sense to get out a statement like Greg wrote. > > /Per

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board election started
by Thomas Schmidt 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

The openSUSE board election just started! Please go to: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/digitaltomm/10769/opensuse-board… and cast your vote for this election. All openSUSE members[1] are eligible to vote. The board consists of 6 members and one chairperson. As the election period of Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang ends, this election will appoint 2 new board members. The election period ends at January the 26th. All candidates have put their agenda on the wiki[2], linked as "Platform" after the candidates' name. If you have any questions, please contact the election officials (election-officials(a)opensuse.org). Greetings [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Members [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Greek openSUSE community report for 2010
by Kostas Koudaras 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

We just released the Greek openSUSE community report for 2010 at http://amb.opensuse.gr/ Take a moment and give it a look if you can, feedback and comments are more than welcome. Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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