January 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Lebensqualität sichern
by Verbraucher-Meldung 25 Jan '11

25 Jan '11

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[opensuse-project] How to celebrate Tumbleweed!
by Greg Freemyer 24 Jan '11

24 Jan '11

I haven't had one yet, but it looks like it should be available at all Tumbleweed launch parties. ===> http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink657.html 1/2 oz brandy 1/2 oz Kahlua® coffee liqueur 1/2 oz Frangelico® hazelnut liqueur 1/2 oz white creme de cacao 1 oz cream Pour ingredients into a stainless steel shaker over ice,shake until completely cold then pour into a chilled stemmed glass or Rocks glass filled with ice. === And since Tumbleweed will be a rolling release, that means daily! (Henne, I hope this is better than talking politics!) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Poll: Which Outputformat of Weekly News you prefer?
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 23 Jan '11

23 Jan '11

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Facebook Group and Page administrators
by Helen 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hi Folks, I am trying to co-coordinate our Facebook presence. At the moment, there are quite a few openSUSE Pages and Groups with many members. If you are administering an openSUSE Page or Group, please get in touch so we can create a master list and know what belongs to whom. To ensure the openSUSE message gets out there, the Marketing team wants to work on a few key groups and pages, so we can help readers find good pages and community, make sure questions are answered, and keep pages spam free. A forgotten page, gathering dust, is not a nice reader experience. Of course there's no problem with having an 'unofficial' page or group! This is community after all! But please send your URL and contact info so we know which page is yours. (Even if it is only a 'small' page) The main official (English language, general purpose) Group is this one: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2256834487 However Pages are a problem. Admins are not displayed and seem almost impossible to contact. The biggest pages are these: http://www.facebook.com/pages/openSuse-Linux/12783888575 2,500 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenSUSE/16720390225#!/pages/OpenSUSE/1672039… 2700 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/openSUSE/45393742283#!/pages/openSUSE/4539374… 1500 likes (and well detailed info) It would make most sense to develop one of these strong pages as our main Facebook portal, because they already have so many 'likes'. But to do so we need to contact their administrators and invite them to work with us. So, If you are a page administrator, please email me your contact information, Facebook profile and the page or group URL. Feel free to do this off-list if your Facebook and List personas are separate. thanks for your help! Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re:[opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Kai-Uwe Behrmann 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hey, my first email to this list. I am the new member, hello to all. "... transparency of the decision making processes, transparency of communication and transparency of work and collaboration processes." this stands in the Guiding principles [1] and is what I want to adress for my openSUSE membership in this email. I obtained some days ago my membership status with the urgent hint to take part in the election of the openSUSE board. Thanks for that. Now it is very hard to fullfill both. I would conclude the election process had to be transparent. But it is not at all. Gnokii was not just a member who was removed, he is a nominated candidate for the board election [2]. The original email "Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member" [3] is misleading and I see it as complete intransparent. I am very sorry to have to conclude the following: The intransparent process of removing a candidates membership by the board is a election manipulation. Removing of a membership account and removing and banning from IRC and thus taking the possibility to defend his position is bulling. Not to mention that there is no formal way to remove a members or candidates by the board itself. I wonder what the board has lead to such a decission. The combination of all this is very strange. Apologyse to those board members, who where in the minority to avoid such a decission. The membership removal is not fair to Gnokii. The candidate removal is not fair to the community and the election manipulation is unfair to the other election candidates. What remains to do? kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann -- developing for colour management www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles [2] http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/14/board-elections/ [3] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-01/msg00085.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Pascal Bleser 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hi all Sorry, very long mail ahead... (As privacy is pretty sensitive on this matter, please contact the board directly (board(a)opensuse.org) if you have further questions or need clarification, instead of discussing it in public.) As you probably all know by now, the openSUSE Board recently revoked an individual's membership as well as his access to the openSUSE infrastructure. As Community participants are admitted to membership, they agree to abide by the Guiding Principles of the openSUSE Project. One of the responsibilities of the elected members of the Board is to be the guardian of those principles; fostering a positive and pleasant environment for all members of the Community. From time to time the board is obligated to take actions to uphold those principles on behalf of the membership. In doing so, the board acts in a manner to mindfully protect the privacy of all effected parties, including both the offender and those affected by the offensive actions. The privacy of those who were personally affected must also be taken into consideration. After receiving a series of complaints from numerous members of the Community regarding violations of the Guiding Principles by that person over a prolonged period, the board began working to uphold its obligation to the membership by attempting to resolve the conflicts through discussions and mediation with all involved parties and ultimately issuing a warning of possible expulsion. In December, complaints were renewed and the Board felt that despite repeated warnings and discussions, the Board could no longer abide by actions that violated the principles which our Community is built upon. Now, there have been a few points that have been (rightfully) raised by a few people (I'm paraphrasing here ;)): 1) Who said the board has the right to revoke someone's membership ? 2) Isn't it harsh? Wasn't there a better way to deal with it? 3) The timing is very suspicious. 4) It all happened behind closed doors, you should have made it publicly, in a transparent manner (as transparency and openness is also part of the Guiding Principles). 5) Who and/or how to prevent abuse from the board ? 6) Removing the membership would have been enough, why remove the person from the project altogether ? First of all, the Board never had to deal with a situation like this one before, where many attempts of mediation and dialogue didn't result in the person who violated the Guiding Principles understanding the concerns and going back into behavior that is socially acceptable (because that's, in essence, what the Guiding Principles are about). Hence we, as a Community, didn't have any precedence to look for, nor any mistakes we did in the past to improve the process upon. 1) So, yes, indeed, neither the Guiding Principles nor the Board statuses *explicitly* state that the Board may remove someone's membership upon repeated violation of the Guiding Principles nor how it must be dealt with regarding a public record of action (or not). But, as stated in the Guiding Principles, one of the primary missions of the board is to mediate and try to resolve conflicts. When people approach board members and ask us to take action, it is the role of the Board to do so and, unfortunately, if all the constructive attempts to resolve the issue through dialogue fail, the Board have to take the final and non-revocable action of removing that person from the project. We added that point to the members page on the wiki after-the-fact for the purpose of clarification, and if people feel that it is controversial and needs discussion for similar situations in the future, let's have that discussion -- ideally when the new board is in place, after the elections. 2) We, the Board members, hope you trust us as well as the other Community members who have been involved sufficiently to believe us when we say the board would never take such measures without having exercised all the "better ways" to deal with it. The Board always tries to mediate first. And not only once but a lot of times in various forms. If that doesn't help the offender is given a fair warning of the intent to escalate this further and only then, if an offender does not change his behaviour, the Board has to take such extreme measures. 3) The timing, indeed, may seem suspicious. We (Board members) were very aware of that but decided to finalize what we started nevertheless. As said above, the Board had to work on a lot of details like deciding whether a public announcement should be made, draft up an email, let it circulate on the internal board mailing-list to let all the board members have a say, vote, and/or make amendments and so on on the fly. But you have to understand that the Board work by consensus, pretty much in a democratic way: the Board members aren't the borg, they all have their individual opinions, and especially in a matter as important as this one, the Board members obviously wanted everyone on the team to have a chance to agree or disagree. Of course, the Christmas holidays didn't help accelerate the process either. So in the end the Board was obviously unable to draft an earlier letter to inform the Election Committee as well as the openSUSE Community at large of his change of status. We regret the timing but the whole matter had lasted all to long already, especially with regards to the people who have been the repeated victims of that person's behaviour over a very long period of time. 4) Matters such as these can only be handled in private, behind closed doors, only involving the people who are directly concerned. As the Board members want to protect the privacy of the person in question, as well as the privacy of the people who have been the victims of his behaviour, it would have been inappropriate to do so publicly. If you don't think so, just imagine that we make all that in public and an employer or potential future employer googling it up. Not nice. We do not want to harm anyone, and do not want public crucifixions either. Some argued that it could have been done by anonymizing the person's name, as we are doing right now (for the very reasons stated above), but that simply wouldn't have worked over an extensive period of time and with more details than what we're including in this email. Please note that the Board attempted to avoid making a public statement for those exact same reasons, but evidently it is needed at this point, to our deepest regret to the victims involved (again, for the reasons above). 5) The primary tool to prevent individual Board members to take abusive actions is the inherent democratic way the Board functions. Yes, the actions and decisions of the Board are often, if not always, very slow, but that is the price to pay for a democratic approach, where decisions are taken by consensus, with every Board member having a chance to vote and voice her opinion. Attempts of abuse by an individual will be outweighed and prevented by the opinions and votes of the 5 others. The tool to prevent a majority of the Board or even the whole Board from taking abusive actions are the elections. The Election Committee is there to do their best to prevent abuse in the election process itself, and they have -- rightfully so -- voiced their concerns on the timing (as explained above), which we have hopefully cleared up in an email thread with the members of the current Election Committee. The Board is the only elected body of the Community, so for those of you who are openSUSE Members, do exercise your right carefully. You elect the people you trust to do the best for the project and the Community. 6) Unfortunately, only removing the membership status wouldn't have changed anything in this case, as the disruptive and poisonous behaviour was not seen exclusively in situations where membership plays a role. The Board members were (and still are) convinced that we had to remove the person from the project altogether to resolve this issue. Finally, we all respect and are thankful for what that person did for the project, and deeply regret that it had to come to this, but it was really the only option left. Thanks for reading so far. With regards, and in no particular order ;), Rupert Horstkötter, Henne Vogelsang, Pavol Rusnak, Alan Clark, Andreas Jaeger (*), Jos Poortvliet (*), Michael Löffler (*), Pascal Bleser. (**) (*) who have also been involved in mediation attempts (**) Bryen decided to abstain from taking part in the whole proceedings on the matter, as he was too directly involved

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Re: [opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Karsten König 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2011, 12:46:31 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > On Friday 21 January 2011 05:46:03 Basil Chupin wrote: > > On 21/01/2011 00:11, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > > > Am 20.01.11, 14:02 +0100 schrieb jdd: > > >> Le 20/01/2011 13:36, Kai-Uwe Behrmann a écrit : > > >>> Gnokii was not just a member who was removed, he is a nominated > > >>> candidate for the board election [2]. > > >> > > >> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Nominations: > > >> > > >> as far as I know, he was only nominated by Nelson (and I didn't see > > >> this on any official mailing list) and during the discussion Nelson > > >> never reported this (although the discussion was so long I may have > > >> missed the fact), and we have no evidence gnokii was a candidate. > > >> However, Nelson was (is). > > > > > > Here are references: > > > http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2971 > > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-01/msg00013.html > > > > > >> I don't want to start again the discussion on the other aspects of > > >> this problem. > > > > > > Sorry, if I just repeated things. > > > > Well, from where I sit all conditions for nomination to be a candidate > > in the current election for the Board have been met. > > *sigh* > > Why don't you read? Seriously, it's completely silly that I have to write > the below again as anyone with eyes and a brain will know it has been said > about 10 times by now... > > 0. you have to be a member to run for the board > 1. he isn't a member so can't run for the board anymore > 2. the process to remove him from the board was started about 2 months ago > 3. the only reason there was one day overlap between the kick-out and the > candidacy is because the holidays (and the board wanting to do this > properly and not hastily) > 4. we communicated this to the election commitee. Surely they were > critical, rightly so, it's an unfortunate situation. But in the end, a > non-member can't run for the board, so that's it. > > Again, read before you post please. Everyone on this list is done with this > discussion (and probably sick of it) especially because it is going around > and around due to, among others, you. Just let it go or bring it up by the > board if you want to hear all these things again and again in other > wordings. I'm sure they have written a script by now that re-arranges the > paragraphs of their initial statement in a different order to > automatically answer such mails. > > Jees, you read english, don't you, or do you only WRITE it? There is a reason barely anyone wants to respond to Basil, he always turns up when there is a political debate going on and otherwise isn't to be seen. Btw the person removed was quite the opposite, while often coming across badly he really put work into opensuse, so it's a shame it had to come to this. Karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Lebensqualität sichern
by Verbraucher-Meldung 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

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[opensuse-project] Motion: Making a petition as a non-board member
by Greg Freemyer 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

The openSUSE rules do not currently say under what conditions a member, but non-board member can make a motion to the board. Nor under what conditions the board would in turn call on the whole membership to vote on the motion. Associations with formal rules have been in existence long before now. I have adopted the below rule (or bylaw in our case) from a legally recognized association I am a member of. I have changed the wording from the previous motion. I have also updated the support info below to a large extent. === I make a motion that the openSUSE rules be updated to allow for formal member petitioning. A formal petition openly supported by 10 members may be submitted to the board asking for an issue to be voted on by the membership at large. The petition must include the language of the vote to be submitted to the membership. Once submitted to the board, the board must call for a all members vote on the matter addressed in the petition. The vote must be initiated within 10 days of the petition and the vote must close within 30 days. If the matter being voted on concerns an improper sanction or appeal of a sanction, then the sanctioned person must be one of the petitioners. === details I serve on a board. There are times when board / member relationships are very tense. In my experience it is only a small handful of the membership that feels abused. Having the ability to petition for community votes is a way to both provide oversight to the board and to eliminate baseless claims that the board is not responsive to member concerns. Obviously this can make an issue semi-public as all members have to be informed of the issues at hand. If the matter is private or covered by NDA, the board will need to make its case in asking the members to support its decisions (or lack thereof) without violating privacy or NDA. In the case of a specific member's claimed mis-conduct it will likely be unavoidable that potentially private issues will have to be exposed to the membership, thus the portion of the proposed new rule that the specific member must be part of the group of members asking for a all members vote. It is my hope that this rule would rarely be invoked. Further although not addressed by this proposed rule, it is my belief that associations like openSUSE typically have annual meetings and at those annual meetings any member may make a motion and, if seconded, at that time all members present at the meeting vote. The association I am most familiar with uses "Robert's Rules of Order" to conduct these annual meetings. Admittedly we are often less formal about using Robert's Rules, but when things are extremely contentious we have hired a "Parliamentarian" to run the meeting precisely via the rules. ==== Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] troubles with the vote...
by Alin Marin Elena 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Hi there, I have been a member for few years now... even voted in the previous elections.... however it seems now I cannot anymore... if i go to users.opensuse.org my elections I can see only the old ones. my member name is ealin.... you find me in opensuse-kde channel under alin if more info needed... regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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