Le 17/01/2011 11:59, Henne Vogelsang a écrit : anything like a foundation.

As you seem to have experience with building a foundation I would like to ask you to concentrate on this task and join the projects efforts to build one over at opensuse-foundation@opensuse.org :)

and to do so send a blank mail to: opensuse-foundation+subscribe@opensuse.org building a foundation is the very first thing we have to do... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Hey Greg, On 17.01.2011 15:24, Greg Freemyer wrote:

I just subscribed.

Cool, I'm looking forward to your contributions!

If creation of the bylaws and original set of rules is to be done there, I think a brief article in the newsletter to that effect would be good.

Of course this is already in the making :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 18/01/2011 01:24, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey Greg,

On 15.01.2011 16:56, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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The openSUSE rules do not currently say under what conditions Because we have no well defined "conditions". We currently only have

1. A "code of conduct" document, the guiding principles 1.1 An entity which is tasked to resolve conflicts, the board 1.1.1 Rules that state how this entity is elected, the board election rules

2. A way to tag people as contributors (Membership)

All of those are only loosely connected, yet reference each other and over time grew together in various way. However they are not remotely anything like bylaws and the current openSUSE project is not remotely anything like a foundation.

As you seem to have experience with building a foundation I would like to ask you to concentrate on this task and join the projects efforts to build one over at opensuse-foundation@opensuse.org :)

Henne I just subscribed. If creation of the bylaws and original set of rules is to be done there, I think a brief article in the newsletter to that effect would be good. Obviously it is logical for that to take place there, but I had assumed they would take place on -project.

fyi: for those that don't know:

bylaws - formal documents that are enforceable by the legal system. Typically changeable, but only by a vote of the super-majority. Must be filed with the State.

rules - still formal, but typically changeable by a simple majority. Maintained in the internal records. ie. Not filed with the State.

Greg

I think that the first step is to determine under which jurisdiction this Foundation will be formed after which one can talk about By-Laws and Rules and Constitutions et al. For example, here in Australia there is a set of Model Rules which are prescribed by the government in an Act of Parliament which each association must use; the association of course can come up with its own constitution/rules/by-laws but these cannot contradict what is stated in the Model Rules, and this paperwork has to be lodged with the relevant government department. What if the Foundation is registered on the Isle of Man......? BC -- "To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 19/01/2011 00:35, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 18/01/2011 01:24, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey Greg,

On 15.01.2011 16:56, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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The openSUSE rules do not currently say under what conditions Because we have no well defined "conditions". We currently only have

1. A "code of conduct" document, the guiding principles 1.1 An entity which is tasked to resolve conflicts, the board 1.1.1 Rules that state how this entity is elected, the board election rules

2. A way to tag people as contributors (Membership)

All of those are only loosely connected, yet reference each other and over time grew together in various way. However they are not remotely anything like bylaws and the current openSUSE project is not remotely anything like a foundation.

As you seem to have experience with building a foundation I would like to ask you to concentrate on this task and join the projects efforts to build one over at opensuse-foundation@opensuse.org :)

Henne I just subscribed. If creation of the bylaws and original set of rules is to be done there, I think a brief article in the newsletter to that effect would be good. Obviously it is logical for that to take place there, but I had assumed they would take place on -project.

fyi: for those that don't know:

bylaws - formal documents that are enforceable by the legal system. Typically changeable, but only by a vote of the super-majority. Must be filed with the State.

rules - still formal, but typically changeable by a simple majority. Maintained in the internal records. ie. Not filed with the State.

Greg I think that the first step is to determine under which jurisdiction this Foundation will be formed after which one can talk about By-Laws and Rules and Constitutions et al.

For example, here in Australia there is a set of Model Rules which are prescribed by the government in an Act of Parliament which each association must use; the association of course can come up with its own constitution/rules/by-laws but these cannot contradict what is stated in the Model Rules, and this paperwork has to be lodged with the relevant government department.

What if the Foundation is registered on the Isle of Man......?

BC Clearly, openSUSE the foundation needs to know which jurisdiction it is in before laying out its documents.

But openSUSE the community can do so now. Just because there is not a legal entity called openSUSE does not mean we can't have rules.

I leave my motion in place (despite the fact openSUSE the community has no concept of motions.)

I hope the community will in some way incorporate a rule similar to my motion. How that happens remains unclear. ie. There appears to be no rules to direct the creation of rules. Thus the rule I proposed currently has no structure by which to be acted on. That only highlights the importance of enacting it in my mind.

Sort of "chicken and egg" situatuon. :-) BC -- "To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org