On 1/17/2011 8:53 AM, Nelson Marques wrote:

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 13:23 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:

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Dear all, Given the recent events, I decided to compile a small list of questions/topics to present to the contestants to the Board. 1. "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - F. Nietzsche Given the discussion regarding the recent action of the current board in expelling a member, could you please comment the quotation above having in mind that action (and your knowledge about the situation)?

Ok, I want to file my objection to these types of questions which posit the tight relation of over-arching philosophical concepts to the removal of one *member* [not "citizen", or "resident", or...] from an *Open Source project*.

Have some perspective. You are talking about a volunteer organization with real-world resource limitations operated by *volunteers* with real-world limitations and other obligations.

Ain't openSUSE an organization that also is based on philosophical concepts? For me it is important to know the applicants standings regarding such topics. We never know when we might run into the same issues on the future:

"Those who can not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - Alexandre Dumas

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If you are really concerned about this issue wouldn't just proposing a specific policy regarding membership revocation and getting comments on that from candidates be far more constructive?

That is being done by the community in Parallel in another thread. Some applicants have already are involved on it, which is the case of Sankar at least, and in a very constructive wave. Nevertheless one is forcing them to answer, they are entitled not to answer, but of course their actions will be judged and evaluated by those who haven't casted votes yet.

I also find strange that only 2 persons asked for questions so far. For sure my vote will be decided upon this, not that it matters.

The questions are irrelevant. You want them to answer questions based off of pseudo situations so you can pass judgement? I'm paying more attention to what level of dedication they have to the project, what do the participate in (Marketing/OBS/etc). I'm not going to base my votes off of "zomg they didn't answer this (stranger than fiction situation) i came up with to my standard. I'm not voting for them." -Matt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 17 January 2011 14:35:50 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 13:23 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:

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Dear all, Given the recent events, I decided to compile a small list of questions/topics to present to the contestants to the Board. 1. "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - F. Nietzsche

Given the discussion regarding the recent action of the current

board in expelling a member, could you please comment the quotation above having in mind that action (and your knowledge about the situation)?

Ok, I want to file my objection to these types of questions which posit the tight relation of over-arching philosophical concepts to the removal of one *member* [not "citizen", or "resident", or...] from an *Open Source project*.

Agreed, this is a passive-aggressive attack on the existing board and an attempt to get all the other candidates to frame their candidacy relative to carefully selected quotes that represent your stance on the membership issue. And anyway, since you describe yourself as a friend of the ex-member in question, perhaps the proper course of action for you in this election would be to not run your own campaign as a single issue to reinstate your friend, or else what are you going to do for the following two years on the board? Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

* Nelson Marques [01-17-11 12:22]:

None of the topics on the plaform say anything about 'reinstating' anyone, neither I never said the perpetrator was to be forgiven. But I am worried when 2 applicants have public statements fully supporting the Board's actions which remains untransparent, and the question I made were ignored since the very start...

1. Was the perpetrator given a proper chance to defend himself against the charges? If so when and how.

I guess you need to re-read or read more thoroughly the "public announcement", ie: <quote> After receiving a series of complaints from numerous members of the Community regarding violations of the Guiding Principles by that person over a prolonged period, the board began working to uphold its obligation to the membership by attempting to resolve the conflicts through discussions and mediation with all involved parties and ultimately issuing a warning of possible expulsion. In December, complaints were renewed and the Board felt that despite repeated warnings and discussions, the Board could no longer abide by actions that violated the principles which our Community is built upon. </quote> Doesn't a "prolonged period" fit or are specifics necessary?

2. Why was the perpetrator booted from the IRC meeting where this was all solved?

No answer, but probably that happened to be when the "expulsion" took place. I fail to see that this particular point has any revelance. Would it have been any better/worse to have continued conversation and increased the anamosity generated? The *end* was reached. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Le 17/01/2011 14:53, Cornelius Schumacher a écrit :

I for one are happy to vote for candidates, even if they don't feel like answering these questions.

+1 jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org