Am Montag, 13. April 2009 19:31:52 schrieb Rajko M.:
While simple answer to your post is: "You don't take in account all issues, which as many simplifications in real world lead to conclusions that may, or may not, survive more thorough scrutiny. "
I'll take time to go trough and answer the best I can. That will be incomplete too, but it will be based on more details and more accurate.
On Sunday 12 April 2009 02:34:20 pm Richard wrote:
On Sun April 12 2009 1:52:46 pm Rajko M. wrote:
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can you re-read what you wrote. I'm very sure that anybody using "ALL" have actually no idea what he is using, nor he tried to find equivalents.
Focusing on words like ALL or EVERYBODY in an attempt to cloud or divert the real issues is a favorite tactic o people that Pete was responding to and often it is successful in clouding or diverting the real, underlying issue(s). The OP wasn't lambasting KDE4, he was saying that while attempting to upgrade KDE3, a change in KDE4 caused a failure.
I do understand that. I just noticed that, in my opinion, one should not use easily "all" and "everybody".
First, we usually can talk only about our experience, and we are not "all" and "everybody".
Second, to avoid mentioned I'm looking for numbers in miscellaneous statistics. They suprise me more often than not, which indicates that talking from my corner of the world is not valid either as "all", nor "everybody".
He asked the legitimate question which I paraphrase 'Why not fix bugs especially the easy ones because I have pointed out what and where the bug lives and when it happened'. Sven chose to make it a KDE3 vs KDE4 issue,
It is not Sven's choice to switch topic.
His first respond to original poster states (paraphrased) that Novell has no plans to dedicate people to maintain KDE3. In current time, when everyone is forced to rationalize, they want KDE4 to be developed as fast as possible. It is left to openSUSE volunteers and their interest to keep KDE3 up and running. Some people do that, trying to incorporate new stuff offered in KDE4 libs, but it obviously doesn't work well all the time for all little conveniences we are used to.
Usually I get that kind of email only off list since people do not want to make themselves a target of allegations and insults. Your explanations were quite good, yet I have to admit that IMHO if people have a positive or neutral attitude towards KDE4, which does not mean that you have to like it, they would write in a different style than some people here do. If they already start with a negative attitude then any explanation is a waste of time no matter how often you try, simply because they are prejudiced and read things into your emails. So while I will not get to those people's low level of insulting others, I stopped trying to explain in detail why KDE4 is what KDE4 is. Instead I help people that have a positive attitude towards KDE4 and need some starting help. Actually you should add your texts to the wiki and simply point people to it. That might save some time. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org