On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:15:13 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2009-04-01 at 04:23 -0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
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a problem. As a user of the product, I'm a member of the community and I want to give back in any way I am able to. That's how we make a better product, right?
I have to agree with all you have said... :-)
I'd like this post to go to the project list, where the right audience is, but I leave that to you.
Feel free to send along to whomever you feel is appropriate - I'm not subscribed to the project list myself; as a new user (I see it is on gmane and am adding it to my list now), I wouldn't want to seem presumptuous on that list to come in and start off with this message. :-)
Yes, I agree that big issues should be "repaired" on the same distro version, but I don't know if there are enough resources for that. Currently we have to wait for the next release to solve that, which usually means that a new set of bugs will be "released" too. At the end, we just have to choose which set of bugs we can live with, and choose the corresponding suse release.
Certainly, but again I would point back at the common argument that the community is bigger than Microsoft's development workforce as an advantage - this statement would seem to contradict the assertion that one of the benefits of OSS is that it's a community effort instead of a relative handful of software developers.
Currently, I'm staying with 11.0 because there are bugs in 11.1 that impede me upgrading. The main one was that beagle exercised some functionality in reiserfs that was broken and caused the kernel to crash. This has been repaired with the last kernel update, but alas! now my machine does not fully suspend to disk because it doesn't power off at the last moment - and as this feature is part of my work routine, I can't live without it, so, --> no upgrade.
Interesting - another reason to consider disabling beagle. I have mentioned before that I use beagle on occasion, and I find the idea good (and it generally works for me), but the implementation does leave something to be desired (and I'm sure plenty on this list would say "at least!", so let's not reignite that old discussion, please. ;-) )
At the same time, there are features in 11.0 that are broken: for instance, writing to an external HD via USB, formatted as reiserfs, is badly broken, which means that I have to boot 10.3 or 11.1 to do my saving.
Weird, I have an external USB drive on my x86_64 system that is reiserfs and seems to work OK. I even export it over NFS. Is there a bug that I should be looking at that talks about this issue?
Or, another is that mounting LUKS encrypted, reiserfs formatted, read-only media (DVD) is broken because the kernel tries to _write_ on the dvd. Another one that is broken, is that writing big files to an XFS, encrypted, filesystem crashes the system.
I consider all those big issues... but I have no hope of seeing any of them solved soon. Not in 11.0, perhaps not even in 11.1. Those things have been appearing over the last 2 years, they are slowly deteriorating. I expect things that work to keep working... but it is not the case, things are breaking and they are not solved.
I understand your frustration - as you probably guessed. At the same time, though, these particular issues would seem to affect even potentially a small group of users. Things like zypper creating huge log files potentially affect everyone - or boost breaking encfs (encfs has some popularity from what I've seen). I understand the need to prioritise the issues and work on the most serious ones, and fully support that of course....
Effort seem to concentrate on highly visible features, like kde4.
...but things like KDE4 (which, like it or not, for 11.0 was something of a disaster from a PR standpoint at the very least) do distract from things that affect all users. KDE4 issues don't affect me because I'm a GNOME user. Core issues in KDE4, though, are best addressed IMHO by the KDE team and not the openSUSE team. The encfs/boost issue is a packaging/ build issue for the distro. KDE4's usability problems aren't, so I'd consider that a different class of issue to be addressed by a different group of people. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org