On Saturday 21 June 2008 01:28:08 pm Tony Alfrey wrote:
Think again Tony.
No, *you* think again. The objective IMHO is to provide an alternative to Windoze that does not require 10 years of *nix experience.
No need for snip :) [1] While objective is for sure to make transition easy in both major desktops we argue about options that are most likely not in focus of first time Linux user and why is explained in the following paragraph:
At best I will ask Google, and then I will learn what is GNOME and KDE, see zillion warnings that KDE4 is not ready for prime time, and then conclude: - KDE3 is lower version, - it is put in third position by vendor, who knows their products so I'll stick with GNOME. It is in the first place in the list and if I don't know what is good, vendor knows. End of story.
And it may, indeed, be the "end of story" at that point. Will the new SuSE user who is testing out an alternative from Vista then be happy with the results following the scenario which you describe?
GNOME is desktop that I abandoned because it was buggy few years ago when I tried it. In the meantime I learned a lot about KDE and I don't plan to learn GNOME too, so I stick with KDE. Your question in context is actually "How good is GNOME for new users?" and that I can answer only using derived information from fact that: Ubuntu, Fedora, SLED and SLES have GNOME, so it is for sure not that bad as it was at the time I left it. Actually,
In all fairness, I must say that I've not yet tried 11.0 and/or KDE4. But if many of you experts are having reservations,
You have 2 answers to this as I came to this point ;)
I will certainly be cautious until I hear that it "is soup", as we say.
Well. Some of "experts" based their claims in previous discussions on facts few months old. With KDE4 development running like express train that was completely out of place, but for people like you, that don't look at KDE4 closely it may sound as correct. How fast they clean up bugs? I had chance to catch only few that other didn't, but solution was very often in the same evening. Now you can see how relevant is talk based on last month information, and I have seen comments based on last December status.
And I must also say that, while the style of criticism of some may be out of line, I'm also puzzled by what seems to be a defensive reaction of some who are apparently closely involved with the actual product development, but who are reluctant to take product feedback seriously.
From speed they clean bugs, you can see that they are very serious taking feedback. They just don't have time to answer on all empty stories launched by people that have too much time on their hands. If you have a specific problem, that is not general "I need more options" subscribe to opensuse-kde@opensuse.org and you will see how fast they are.
This is not FUD being delivered by some M$ troll, this is serious feedback delivered by serious linux users.
If I would think it is trolling, I would not spent time writing this. I'm typing slow. [1] Quoting only what reply is related to doesn't require <snips>. I used them too, but the style of all mails that I consider readable, and I would like to apply to my answers, is to quote just the most relevant portion, few words, one line that answer is related. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org