2008/6/21 Matt Archer
Benji Weber wrote:
This is rather a misrepresentation. Significant changes were made after the discussion on the lists and bugzilla.
But nowhere close to being what KDE users expect.
What it actually says is: "KDE 4.0 is the most recent evolution of KDE. It comes with many new KDE technologies, but is less mature than the other desktops." "KDE 3.5 is the previous generation of the K Desktop Environment. It is mature and stable." [0] Which I think is fairly clear. There is no default KDE in the DVD installer. While it is not as mature as KDE 3.x, KDE4.0 is now ready for many users. I will not be switching to it myself for a while, but I have specific requirements. KDE 4.x is also what the KDE team have been working on improving and integrating for months, while KDE 3 is pretty much just included in the same state it was in previous releases.
Apparently, Novell is trying to push KDE 4 hard so that they can get a lot of fanfare out of beryl... but no matter how good it is, if it's resting on top of an immature version of KDE, who wants or needs it?
What I find somewhat irksome is your analysis of the situation. There was not some mandate from Novell management "Thou shalt use KDE4.0". There was significant discussion with the community with regard to the plans for KDE4.0, on the mailing lists, at project meetings, and on bugzilla. The outcome was to present both the cutting edge KDE4.0 and the stable KDE3.5 to allow users to choose. I notice that many of the people complaining in this thread did not involve themselves in the discussions at the time. The KDE team who are actually doing the work decided to put all their effort into making KDE4.0 ready. If they were focusing more on KDE 3.x then KDE4.0 would be in a much worse state now than it is. Both upstream and the major downstream distributions are focusing almost entirely on KDE4.0 now. KDE 4.0 is where bugs will be fixed, whereas KDE 3.5 is likely to just stagnate. If you have stability issues in KDE 4.0 please bug report them(specific, not general), then they can be fixed. Even if a bug seems blindingly obvious to you, it may be that other people have not noticed it, or it does not occur on other configurations. As for the state of KDE 4.0 being the cause of bad reviews, that is not the case so far. We have headlines such as "openSUSE 11.0 released, offers best KDE 4 experience"[1] and comments such as "The openSUSE version of KDE 4 alone is worth the download"[2] "still I'd rather work on this than 3.5." [3]. While other reviewers have stated that they opted for 3.5 as it is more mature. __ [0] http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080620-first-look-opensuse-11-out-off... [2] http://www.linux.com/feature/139073 [3] http://alternativenayk.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-first-24-hours-with-open... -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org