ne... wrote:
On Feb 18, 2008 7:13 AM, Hudibras
wrote: [...] completely configurable. Kde4 is not. So, what else can I say? It's doesn't blame on me that I have to remove .kde4 home directory all time, or use any other navigator, because Konqueror4 crashes even when I enter Packman site, a site where is not flash plugin, for instance. I understand opensource is always developing, but I consider a very important thing to have a "stable" release, completely usable, configurable and reliable, and kde4 is not like this. Sorry, it's my opinion.
Well, tell you what. Since all you do is complain while it has been explained to that this is a work in progress, why don't you go use something else.
You're obtuse. This is about whether KDE 4 is ready to replace KDE 3 or not. "Work in progress" is PRECISELY THE PROBLEM. IF KDE 4 were ready to replace KDE 3, NOBODY, including you, would be describing it as "a work in progress"
If KDE3 works for you, use it. For me KDE4 works _without_ krashing and I have very few problems with it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this isn't about you. Right now, KDE 3 has so few problems that you have to deliberately engineer situations to experience problems with it. Meanwhile, KDE 4's konsole crashes.
So far all you have done is gripe, and that is putting it very mildly.
No. People on this list are talking about current weaknesses in the KDE 4 code base which indicate that it's not yet ready for anything other than experimenting with. If you were, say, an industry consultant, and a customer wanted to migrate from Windows to KDE, could you tell that customer, with a straight face, that KDE 4 is, right now, or that by the first week of April, will be both stable enough AND configurable enough to use in a business environment?
I suggest you take it elsewhere.
Excuse me, but this is the proper place for the discussion. If you don't like it, unsubscribe yourself.
Those of us who know what the KDE & SUSE devs are up against know how encourage them without having folks like you constantly sniping at them.
Now you're misrepresenting what has been said here: Neither I nor anyone else here has been sniping at the devs. I, and I'm sure most everyone else would LOVE for KDE 4 to be stable and complete enough to absolutely replace KDE 3 without the slightest hesitation. Unfortunately, at the present time, that is not the case, although it appears that some on the list seem to think that WISHING for KDE 4 to be solid enough to replace KDE 3 automatically makes it true. What I've been arguing against is making KDE 4 the default before it's ready -- because all it will do is give both SuSE and KDE a bad reputation, especially among those whose first exposure to Linux is any distribution in which an immature KDE 4 product is the default KDE desktop. If there's been any sniping here, it's been at a few people whose words reveal that they are, for whatever reason, emotionally invested in shoving KDE 4 into SuSE 11.0, and apparently as the default version of KDE, now matter how many show-stoppers are still present in the code. And that is simply irresponsible -- because the people who get burned the worst by that sort of misguided decision are those with the least amount of experience with and knowledge of Linux and its software. One thing I've always like about SuSE is that while always a forward-looking distro, willing to explore new software, the product has overall been quite reliable. All the way up until the 10.1 release and the online update nightmare. Somebody or group decided to rush immature code into YaST, and it created a SERIOUS problem. There's absolutely NO REASON to repeat the same damned mistake again...especially since the stitches from the previous self-inflicted wound have only recently been removed. As a user, not only do I want SuSE to be a good product for me...I want it to be a good product FOR EVERYONE who tries it -- not just those of use who have enough experience to avoid the swamps quick-sand pits. Now lest you think I'm an old stick-in-the-mud who doesn't like change... I quit buying RedHat and switched to SuSE in the 6.x days for the entirely opposite reason -- RedHat stopped including newer software in their distros, and adopted a "one true xyz" attitude for nearly every class of application -- you either liked the particular app that they chose, or you would have to go hunt down and search for alternatives yourself -- in contrast to earlier releases which included many competing apps which did similar things, allowing the user to try whatever apps they want, and decide what they like best (which is how SuSE still does things today, and which is also why I LIKE the SuSE distros). Understand...making KDE 4 the default KDE desktop won't hurt *ME*...because I'm informed enough to know what's going on with KDE. But that's not the point. The point is making SuSE a good product for those who AREN'T fully aware of the KDE 3/4 issue...which would be all of those people who, for whatever reason, will be making their first leap at moving from Windows to SuSE in the coming months. This is a crucial time for Linux...and getting a decent percentage of the market share of desktops is a now-or-never proposition. I suggest you read this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html If you want across-the-industry support for Linux, then this goal cannot be allowed to be inadvertantly ruined by some emotion-driven release of a flaky desktop manager in a major distribution which even a decent number of EXPERT users are noticing basic problems (like konsole crashing!)
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