On 2006-11-14 13:46, JJ Gitties wrote:
On 11/14/06, *Anders Johansson*
mailto:andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote: On Tuesday 14 November 2006 19:35, JJ Gitties wrote: > I am not trying to shut down anyone. I am also in the "wait and see" camp.
With your comments about lying to people you talk to, and general trollishness, you could have fooled me
Lets clarify something.
- On this list, I am with the "wait and see" crowd. But I bitch about the MS/Novell pact. However, no one can see into the future -- so speculating what this will do to patents/GPL and Linux is pointless. But I am against the deal. Regardless of wheather its actually done anything tangible yet.
- In my personal/professional life, no I am not going to "want and see" until I see that MS/Novell have done something bad before I start to not plug SUSE anymore. I stop plugging it now.
And I was a SUSE user before Novell bought them. I think you will find that a huge number of us, perhaps even the majority, used SuSE before Novell bought them. I switched over from OS/2 in 2000, after it became clear that my waiting for IBM to revive it was a wasted effort. Version 6.3 was my first, and no other distro has ever graced my system. For that matter, no Windows installation has ever "graced" my system either, except to the extent that IBM put it there as
What a two-faced attitude. I remember you writing that you tell customers that SuSE does not perform up to your expectations, yet you claim it is an excellent product in your signature, to whit: "*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend." Why don't you tell your customers the truth, and let *them* decide if they are going to go with SuSE? The truth is simply this, that not only do you lie to your customers, but you are trying to lie to us as well, by claiming here that you continue to support SuSE, or at the very least have adopted a "wait and see" attitude. Will you now try to claim that your customers cannot be trusted to know this truth you claim to espouse, that SuSE, though it is a "wonderful distro," has an uncertain future, and that makes you reluctant to give it an unqualified recommendation? Do you think they are so stupid as to be unable to wade through the FUD to get at the truth by themselves? As for this: part of a Warp installation. So don't be trying to inflate your ego in here, my friend, you have no credentials to inflate. You have clearly demonstrated with your own words that you are a liar; all that is left is to establish clearly which of your statements is the actual lie.
Lets focus on the facts. Novell bought an established distro and a very very good distro that they added into their portfolio. It's been 3 years. What have they done with it? Is it a more powerful force in the Linux business than it was 3 years ago? Probably not. If anything, I might even seem that it went down a notch. Just where have you been?
Munich, 2003: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1010740.html Bergen, 2004: http://www.networktimes.co.za/news.asp?pklNewsID=15337&pklIssueID=433&pklCategoryID=309 Dundee, 2004: http://www.novell.com/success/dundee.pdf Cornwall Health Service, 2004: http://www.novell.com/offices/emea/uk/news/press/tonic_cornwall.html UK National Health Service, 2005: http://www.novell.com/offices/emea/uk/news/press/nhs_novell.html Yep, that's sure down a notch. Where have you been? Good grief, let me ask you what planet you have been on.
You see stuff like that and you start to think, Novell might actually be populated by incompetent people.
It's a very good thing the cities of Munich, Bergen and Dundee, the Duchy of Cornwall, and the Government of the United Kingdom are not on your customer list. If they were, they'd still be stuck with Windows. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org