Op woensdag 13 september 2006 15:52, schreef stephan beal:
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:36, Azerion wrote:
Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html
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Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2 Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes.
There's no way in hell i'm going to upgrade a working machine with an "alpha" release. One of the alphas (or betas?) for 10.1 had an installation bug which deleted the partition table.
I understand. But my point remains that a lot of the problems you talk about do not exist in 10.2 anymore.
10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say anything about SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as wel all know, that will never happen again.
Read the post again - i wasn't comparing Kubuntu with Suse 10.1, but was comparing Kubuntu against 8 years of experience with Suse. For example, the yast install/upgrade tools have *always* been dog slow compared to apt-based systems, it's just that the problem is exemplified in 10.1 (i would almost say it was blown to comic-tragic proportions in 10.1).
Point taken. But apt-GUI's never had the possibilities that YaST haves so I can imagine they are fast. rpm -ivh xxx.rpm is fast also..... Maybe today's GUI's are better but it's not fair to compare them with good old YaST. I think that openSUSE will have a very fast installer-GUI within a year (maybe 3rdparty but I think Apt-blabla is 3rdparty too), then you may compare. New GUI versus New GUI.
BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart and use apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot.
Out of principal, i'm not going to fight with 10.1's update process any more. i've already hosed my RPM db a couple times trying to get other tools running. This machine is my DSL router and i work online from home, so i can't afford to risk hosing it any further. No user should have to install an add-on/3rd-party upgrade tool. It should be [a working] part of the system (as it has been for a number of years).
I understand also, today I made the comment in a bugreport: "KDE updater does the job nice. The official updater does nothing....." It's a painfull situation, but Smart is a good workaround for problem ZEN. It also shows that SUSE does have more possibilities on the install-packages level.
I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a year. Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am seeking adventure (so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in you're discription and conclusions.
Maybe you've got more patience with 10.1 than i.
I do, knowing that it was not the chosen solution from SUSE-developers to put ZEN in while beta2/3 was out. Seeing how fast rug is at the moment I think I can make the point that it is fast like apt. Where pinging in 10.1 even takes 10-20 second or even more it is now done in a second. Searching is also a blast. Cannot comment on installing cause I did not do so with rug yet, I always prefered y2pmsh but it's not more in the factory-repo. Rug does the job very well :D Typing this I remember that my computer until now never slowed down from ZEN (in 10.2). What?! Miracles happen!!!!!!! haha (733mhz, 256mb). Cewl fact :D But it was not my point. You said that you had to search thru mailinglists like this when you wantend to install software. I never seen this list or other until a year ago. Until then i had never problems installing packages. Azerion