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What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

MO: You can equip your SUSE system with apt/yum/smart, but you can't (easily) bring Yast to Debian/Ubuntu. Jan Engelhardt --

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

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Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2 Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes. 10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say anything about SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as wel all know, that will never happen again. BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart and use apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot. I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a year. Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am seeking adventure (so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in you're discription and conclusions. Azerion

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 15:52, schreef stephan beal:

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 14:36, Azerion wrote:

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Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:

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http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

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Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2 Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes.

There's no way in hell i'm going to upgrade a working machine with an "alpha" release. One of the alphas (or betas?) for 10.1 had an installation bug which deleted the partition table.

I understand. But my point remains that a lot of the problems you talk about do not exist in 10.2 anymore.

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10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say anything about SUSE in general only about one rotten version. And as wel all know, that will never happen again.

Read the post again - i wasn't comparing Kubuntu with Suse 10.1, but was comparing Kubuntu against 8 years of experience with Suse. For example, the yast install/upgrade tools have *always* been dog slow compared to apt-based systems, it's just that the problem is exemplified in 10.1 (i would almost say it was blown to comic-tragic proportions in 10.1).

Point taken. But apt-GUI's never had the possibilities that YaST haves so I can imagine they are fast. rpm -ivh xxx.rpm is fast also..... Maybe today's GUI's are better but it's not fair to compare them with good old YaST. I think that openSUSE will have a very fast installer-GUI within a year (maybe 3rdparty but I think Apt-blabla is 3rdparty too), then you may compare. New GUI versus New GUI.

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BTW. if you have problems with Yast/rpm then you can install Smart and use apt's. Or whatever you want cause it supports a lot.

Out of principal, i'm not going to fight with 10.1's update process any more. i've already hosed my RPM db a couple times trying to get other tools running. This machine is my DSL router and i work online from home, so i can't afford to risk hosing it any further. No user should have to install an add-on/3rd-party upgrade tool. It should be [a working] part of the system (as it has been for a number of years).

I understand also, today I made the comment in a bugreport: "KDE updater does the job nice. The official updater does nothing....." It's a painfull situation, but Smart is a good workaround for problem ZEN. It also shows that SUSE does have more possibilities on the install-packages level.

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I came to SUSE some years ago and I only know the mailinglist for a year. Never used it, internetsupport maybe a few times cause I am seeking adventure (so now I run Alpha 4). I can't find myself in you're discription and conclusions.

Maybe you've got more patience with 10.1 than i.

I do, knowing that it was not the chosen solution from SUSE-developers to put ZEN in while beta2/3 was out. Seeing how fast rug is at the moment I think I can make the point that it is fast like apt. Where pinging in 10.1 even takes 10-20 second or even more it is now done in a second. Searching is also a blast. Cannot comment on installing cause I did not do so with rug yet, I always prefered y2pmsh but it's not more in the factory-repo. Rug does the job very well :D Typing this I remember that my computer until now never slowed down from ZEN (in 10.2). What?! Miracles happen!!!!!!! haha (733mhz, 256mb). Cewl fact :D But it was not my point. You said that you had to search thru mailinglists like this when you wantend to install software. I never seen this list or other until a year ago. Until then i had never problems installing packages. Azerion

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 17:09, schreef PerfectReign:

On Wed, September 13, 2006 5:36 am, Azerion wrote:

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Op woensdag 13 september 2006 12:09, schreef stephan beal:

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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

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Yeah, compare rotten SUSE Linux 10.1 with Kubuntu. If I look at 10.2 Alpha 4 I think they fixed the most things you complain about. Rug is lightning fast, KDE SUSE updaters is a blast (Gnome one does not work for some reason) and there are a lot more fixes.

10.1 is a bad version. Comparing it with whatever does not say anything about

Okay, I'm curious. Why - apart from the update snafu that has been sinced fixed either with an update or by simply using SMART/APT/Whatever - is 10.1 "a bad version"?

The update snafu is still not fixed properly. It controls the system as long as you don't disable it. Being an overall systemproblem, SUSE Linux 10.1 is bad. No further problems :P

I've been hammering on it every day in three machines and once I got the SMART update thingy working, it has been a wonderful update.

With Smart? Cause ZEN in 10.1 is still sloowwwwwww and resource eating like the Nutty professor.

1. USB automounting of my drives works without a hitch 2. CD/DVD automounting are seamless 3. KNetwork finally works with my WEP encrypted wireless network without me having to type in a password - at work or home. 4. Opera 9 is included. 5. It boots way faster than 9.3/10.0 on my laptop. 6. Suspend to disk works. (This was seriously broken in 9.3 on my laptop, and seemed to only work part of the time in 10.1.) 7. The eyecandy is very nice, even without XGL. 8. AppArmor is finally understandable. 9. The integration of YaST system tools and my applications is seamless. (For example, installing RDC, YaST asked me to open a firewall port.) 10. Planet Penguin Racer. 'nuff said. 11. It is louder than 10.0 ever thought of being.

I know, but every improvement will not take awaay the anoying from ZENdaemnon and friends. If you disable ZEndeamon this is indeed what you get. Graphics are very slick for sure! Azerion

On 06/09/13 08:51 (GMT-0700) PerfectReign apparently typed:

Yeah, I'm using SMART. I've disabled anything Zen related. SMART doesn't have the best GUI

That's a gross understatement.

but it works and works fast.

Not fast here. It apparently picks sources on a random basis for random files. It took over an hour to update a fresh install with it last night because it chose to download a large number of files, including OO.o, from ftp.suse.com, which was sporting a download speed a mere 2X that of a 56K modem's maximum, about 1/100 the speed of the other sources. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding. Esteem her, and she will exalt you; embrace her, and she will honor you." Proverbs 4:7-8 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/

Okay, I'm curious. Why - apart from the update snafu that has been sinced fixed either with an update or by simply using SMART/APT/Whatever - is 10.1 "a bad version"?

I've been hammering on it every day in three machines and once I got the SMART update thingy working, it has been a wonderful update.

What makes it bad is that it does not come with SMART preinstalled by default.

1. USB automounting of my drives works without a hitch

But only when you are in some funky desktop environment. For console, you need to install extra software not installed by default (e.g. ivman).

2. CD/DVD automounting are seamless

See 1. Once ivman is working though, it does the job.

7. The eyecandy is very nice, even without XGL.

But wastes RAM...

11. It is louder than 10.0 ever thought of being.

You surely mean the people screaming b/c of yast/rug/zen/etc... Oh yeah. Jan Engelhardt --

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 16:56, PerfectReign wrote:

On Wed, September 13, 2006 3:09 am, stephan beal wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Aug/2455.html

Hey, how's it going with your laptop under Kubuntu?

One laptop runs fine with it, one has intermittent lockups related to the ATA controller (which admittedly didn't happen with Suse 10.1), but that machine is primarily for work, anyway (programming for WinCE GPS devices, under Windows of course). This machine (desktop PC) is running 10.1. -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:

Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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Hi all,

What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

What's the difference between a Ford and a Chevy?

You're saying there's no real difference at all?? RRS

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 15:05, schreef Stevens:

I personally own a Chevy and a Dodge. I have Suse on 2 computers and Windows on a laptop. They each have features that I need,

Some people cannot live without virusses around :P

Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit out of black pepper.

Could you please descibe how that is. I really have no idea, never did such a thing.

Fred

Azerion

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 15:05, Stevens wrote:

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 07:54, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:

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Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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Hi all,

What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution? ... Debating about which distro is best is like trying to pick fly shit out of black pepper.

He (the OP) never asked which distro is best. See above: he asked "What [are the major] difference[s] between Suse and Ubuntu?" There's no implication of an argument in that question. -- ----- stephan@s11n.net http://s11n.net "...pleasure is a grace and is not obedient to the commands of the will." -- Alan W. Watts

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 03:55, James Knott wrote:

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Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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Hi all,

What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution? What's the difference between a Ford and a Chevy?

You're saying there's no real difference at all??

No, I'm saying that what characteristics are important depends on your needs and tastes. Otherwise, there'd be no reason to buy a Chev. ;-)

On 9/13/06, PerfectReign wrote:

On Wed, September 13, 2006 2:34 am, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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Hi all,

What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

SUSE is Green.

Ubuntu is Orange.

Boxed sets of SUSE come with a cool Lizard sticker.

And ... Ubuntu will send you the CD for free :) -- -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Windows is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 18:40, schreef Jan Engelhardt:

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Ubuntu has been getting lots of popularity lately. Perhaps these links help a bit.

The higher they go, the deeper ("dapper" in dialect :-) they fall.

Jan Engelhardt --

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257459 DEEP! And again their patch fuggs X. Azerion

* Bryan S. Tyson [09-13-06 14:04]:

Ubuntu has an updating system that is not a mess.

And SUSE has several that are *not* a mess. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:02, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 05:34, Zoran Ljubisic wrote:

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What is mayor difference between Suse and Ubuntu distribution?

Ubuntu has an updating system that is not a mess.

Suse has Yast, a GUI installer program which works very well to install RPM packaged programs. Notwithstanding the squawking from some Ubuntu users the updating system has been working fine except for a couple of weeks after release. Suse can install either KDE or Gnome desktop managers. Ubuntu, on the other hand is debian based, and uses apt-get which also offers a lot of software. There is a GUI installer but most of the people I know with Ubuntu prefer command-line installs. Ubuntu comes with GNOME installed as the default, but if you prefer KDE, you can look at Kubuntu.

Bryan

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