Hi, On Sun, 14 May 2006, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 14 May 2006 15:19, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2006, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-05-14 at 01:35 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Of course there will not be an additional sources DVD within the box. It would be wasted material and manpower for 99% of the buyers.
You HAVE GOT the sources in sense of the GPL, don't you?
Quite a number of the people that buy the set do so because they don't have the network to download it. That has been my reason for many years.
The 10.0 box did not contain a sources CD or DVD.
We were all aware of that Eberhard, since we all complained about that situation also. Many of us had hoped that would change after they got the bugs worked out of resale boxes. There are many that still desire a sources DVD to be included, but maybe SuSE didn't hear our cries. It sounds as if they may not have heard the pleas for a decent manual (Admin as before Novell) either.
The silent death of the admin guide was a bad decision in my mind too. Up to 9.3, I could advise interested people "just buy one SUSE box, and you have all you need to become a server admin - experiences with docs".
Also for 10.0, a sources DVD iso was provided on the mirrors, which for those of us with broadband didn't complain. Many don't have the bandwidth to download a large iso.
Many? You are kidding. Most of those "manies" at least have a friend with a DSL connection.
According to the GPL you want to mention, they, Novell/SuSE, have to make the sources available.
They already HAVE MADE them available. Before any box arrives...
I would hope it would come in the package we buy and if not, made available either by downloading or to purchase for the cost of the media directly from Novell/SUSE! This is not just the sources for the OpenSuse stuff, as you pointed out earlier, that's not everything that is on the purchased DVD.
The sources are published. God damn, see that!
Not asking for the impossible, just a bit of cooperation from Novell in getting our monies worth from the package we purchase.
The sources are already published at the servers: /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/src/ /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source/suse/src/ makesusedvd can be used to make an ISO out of it. Please nobody tell me he needs the sources but is not able to run makesusedvd. Putting the sources a second time there as an ISO image would neglect the mirror admins' interest in efficiency (space and cache). It is a totally different question if SUSE would ship hard media on request or not. I fully accept their "cost calculation" decision not to put a mostly never used sources disk into the box, and you should ask them for a hard copy if you can't use the servers. I bet they will ship one, and the SUSE cost calculators will include the needed manpower into their next revision. But I bet it already was the right decision. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)