Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 15:24, OldSarge wrote:
To ALL: First, I wish ALL guru's or othewise being an authority on all of this, would get together on whether to top or bottom. I have had one or more say they do not want to read through old information, but want new on top, and, then I get those who say the convention is to post on bottom! Well, it is obvious to me and to anyone who can read, that there is NO CONVENTION that is generally accepted!
On this list it's bottom posing. That is, follow the quoted text from the previous message with your reply. That is the traditional Internet convention. One company, which shall remain nameless, introduced a mail client that top posted by default, and made it difficult, or impossible, to change that default. The result is that users of that inferior product came to believe that top posting was the proper form. To quote one signature from a regular on comp.lang.c++
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Secondly, I am NO TROLL, that description fits those who refuse to help, as per the additional message from someone in need that I included in one of mine!!!! I will post the way I have until someone can get all together and make sure which way it should be!
On this list, put your additions after the quoted material and anybody who give you grief about it will be wrong.
As for my problems with Suse, I will state, again, but maybe in better words or wording, I am staying with SuSe 9.2 Pro as I am tired of the constant upgrade grind, and have NOT gotten full use out of it, yet!
If troubleshooting installation or upgrade problems is not your hobby, you are probably better off upgrading when your current version becomes unsupported. That will probably make each upgrade more difficult, but they will be far less frequent. You will probably have learned a great deal between upgrades as well, so your ability to address the problems that do arise will be greater.
For everyones information, this is my third version of SuSe,
That's "SuSE".
but, because I am no way near mastering it and because it does NOT respond the way it is supposed to when certain information is fed into it, I am very frustrated at it. For instance, how to untar a tar or tar.gz, many have tried to give me directions over the computer and I do enter the outline as shown, yet SuSe keeps coming up either with "NO SUCH COMMAND" or freezes after I press the enter key after entering the info as directed! The really ironic part is it will not "take" an rpm, which I downloaded and tried to install and which YAST states it has, yet absolutely NO SHOW! I have had some good help from one individual, who must remain nameless per his request, plus my club SIG, but it is a shame the help is so uneven and that Suse itself has left so much to others, who do it for FREE and, again, I congratulate them on their ability. I am a college grad and a Vietnam Vet with 100% disability, and thereby hangs a tale of itself! :-(
There are usually subtleties underlying the kinds of problems you are describing. Somewhere in the documentation provided with the distribution there is a section called something like "First steps with Linux" which explains the basics of working with a Unix-like operating system. I strongly advise reading that section, and trying the commands it discusses. As for what you have described a problems. If the tar command is not found, echo $PATH. You should see :/bin: in there somewhere.
If the rpm is installed, but doesn't seem to be there, perhaps you installed the src.rpm instead of the application?
As for the help being uneven, you are correct. But this is due to the fact that SuSE integrates many different packages, most of which they do not produce. Linux is a fast moving, and rapidly changing target. It will never be quite as coherent as the OS produced by the trillion dollar company, but SuSE Linux does more out of the box than that OS will do with 10,000 dollars worth of additional software added.
To ALL, and Steven Hatton, in particular: Thanks to the above message I am convinced bottom posting is better, and, due to the fact I have a dual boot machine, I will bottom post on my Linux but the person on Windows wanted me to top post. Can't you people see just how schizoid that is? As for my other comments, I will try again, to spell out what is happening and what my equipment and such is. Mr. Hatton is the first person to give me the credit for being partially correct on what help is available and from whom. I am now going to go to my home on the desktop and note down everything I can and will post, in a lot more detail what and why, as far as I can determine. :-)