On Wednesday 09 March 2005 01:39 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
rfc1855, Netiquette Guidelines.
and in this doc it states that you must use bottom posted trim quoted reply's on suse-linux-e@suse.com?
I don't see my top-posted simple answers being rejected from the list. Only people like Patrick Shanahan seem to reply to a helpful post with, "thanks for the answer, but you used the wrong style". Hell, if I need help, I don't care what style someone wants to help me, I'll take it.
No, you don't see them. True, because many people dislike top-posting (I do) and will simply ignore those emails. They (we) might answer, and then we get cross at the top post response and forget the thread sooner.
No, I don't see them being rejected. In fact I see them more often than not answered by just as knowlegable top-posters, as well as tolerant bottom-posters. when people reply not provide an answer, or anything else constructive, but only to criticize style is when I speak my mind.
The thing is that Patrick speaks his mind. The rest, simply says nothing, and of those some act... ignoring those posters.
It has been my experience both relying on the open-source community and contributing to it for my living for the past 5 years since i was brought to the light, that it is easier to navigate search results in google to find what your looking for when people top-post and full quote. you can usually find the whole conversation in one place. It can be alot easier to navigate top-posted full-quoted threads in mail clients because they get sorted better with different conversations going on between the OP and the contributors. All you have to do is highlight the mail (with or without a mouse) and you see the next piece of the puzzle right there AT THE TOP.
Yes, I listen. But I can not accept it... it increases network and disk usage across many computers and servers, and increases the time I need to get the information I need to answer.
what do you mean? like I said, there is more information for email clients to sort threads with. It is easier to navigate because each new piece of information is always at the top. Bottom line is that middle-posting and extensive trimming is the worst. mixed styles is the next worst and both top posting and bottom posting *can* be both just as easy either top posting or bottom posting ~and~ full quoting is the best because it solves both problems I specifically run into a.) you find only one reply to a topic you want more information on in google b.) either top or bottom as long as ALL replies are the same can be just as easy to navigate, either above or below the extra (whole) conversation being justified by reason a takes up too much space/speed? give me a break! this is text! When it comes to mixing both together, top, bottom, middle, full trim, full quote, like when you get hits in google on a long thread, it is the top-posting and full quoting that make it easier to navigate and find what your looking for. With the open-source community getting bigger, and the average newbie to linux NOT being a newbie to computers in general, I personally think it would be like shooting my livelyhood (the open-source community) in the foot by being an elitist and griping to contributers about style. We should have way more newbie professional / ex - MS folks than seasoned vets (hopefully read:linux for the masses -- converts in droves) real soon. By taking such an annoyed attitude you set yourself up for conflict and isolation. This would be like a missionary rejecting converts in a forign (non english) country for not speaking English. Or a karate instructor ignoring a customer because they walked into the dojo with shoes on. I'd hate to see linux (or SuSE) end up like M$ because they can't think or accept any other way of thinking. Although I wouldn't expect you to downright steal a top posted reply and claim it as your own. Maybe more like SCO though, and sue mailing lists for not doing things your way anymore instead. B-)