Fredag den 27. august 2004 17:18 skrev Danny Sauer:
Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 17:34:
Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is
Torsdag den 26. august 2004 23:16 skrev Danny Sauer: the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 16:00:
Torsdag den 26. august 2004 20:34 skrev Danny Sauer:
The problem with a FAQ is the same as the problem with freshmeat.net, and with all of the other resources (like the docs found at ldp.org). Newbies don't know that they exist, so they don't find them. I [...] I disagree partly. [...] What part do you disagree with?
They do know that the info is "around" on the net and install-media, but learning takes some effort besides ensuring enough oxygen to stay alive.
Many times things (Howto's/information about linux) get a little to "nerdy". 2'ndly a lot misinterprete the community and 3'rdly some even missuse the nice people in the community (other linuxusers and SuSE from time to time .... but that's another story).
So, learning should be effortless?
Nope - did I Imply say that
That'd be great, but what precendent are we in the community to follow? Can you cite a resource for some other operating system that goes beyond the initial desktop, but is not nerdy or otherwise hard to follow?
Aquiring knowledge always has a learningcurve - the one for linux is just more steep.
Granted, I'm a big ol' geek, but I've never seen a system that has more documentation than Linux. I've run a lot of systems (there's a machine in my basement running each of NeXT Step, Mac OS 7.6, Windows 98, Windows 2000, SuSE, RedHat, Slackware, NetBSD, SunOS, and BeOS right now - and I've played with countless others), but none are nearly as well documented as Linux. Unfortunately, one does have to look for the docs, but SuSE - for example - comes with a few big friggin' books when you buy the boxed distro.
Yes I know - been on the SuSE drug since ver. 6. And they're always missing some description of some of their own stuff (EX. REPAIR OPTION from boot-media).
Those books answer pretty much every question a home user will find, and most questions a network admin will come up with. Most of the more complicated questions can probably be handled by the tech support included with purchase (ever call Microsoft? it's an awful experience, from what I've heard) or by using supported hardware.
he he ... call MS .... never so seems I saved a lot of trouble there.
I dunno. It seems to me that most people's usability complaints boil down to "this isn't just like windows".
Well not for me.
It all comes back to Anders' comment when he said that people need to realize that KDE, for example, is gonna be different than other systems. Then they have to learn how to get around, which is pretty easy if they do what "seems right" instead of what "seems like windows".
I don't mind that things change if it's going "forward" (don't ask me what forward is ;-) ).
I agree that it'd be nice to have information collected a little more cohesively, but really all anyone needs is the included docs (in PDF on
That was my point ( know I my eyes was small and head heavy when I composed my former reply).
the FTP version, IIRC), google, and this list. Oh, and some patience + willingness to learn a *new* system. IMHO, of course, and it does happen that I'm wrong sometimes. Probably not this time, though. :)
Happens to all of us.
--Danny, staying on-list in the hopes that someone will find a learning "magic bullet" and post that for all to enjoy ;)