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Re: [opensuse-project] Time to decide: 11.4 or 12.0?
  • From: Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:15:54 +0100
  • Message-id: <201012202115.54920.jospoortvliet@xxxxxxxxx>
On Monday 20 December 2010 19:42:09 Nelson Marques wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@xxxxxxxxx>
On Thursday 16 December 2010 18:53:14 Per Jessen wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:50:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
possibly plus:
- major 3d open driver advancements
- large KDE advancements from previous releases

I'm classifying those as "possible" because I don't know if they are
significant enough to be noticed by the end-user?

Both the 3d open drivers and the KDE advancements are indeed noticable -
IF you use a KDE desktop with 3D effects... If not, you won't notice
much :D

It's not the first time you use KDE arguments. I'll recall you from
the last Marketing meeting, when you said: "KDE would never do that,
so we won't go that way" (not ipsis verbis). I'm starting to believe
that there is a conflict on interests on your side.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Actually, I was. Please re-read both my mail above
and the discussion we had on marketing. hint for text above: CAPS mean

If you want me to explain the discussion on marketing in other words again,
see below this mail.

So that's a problem we have, we have a hard time with a lack of sync
between KDE and GNOME and LXDE/XFCE etc here... GNOME is about to
release 3.0 but we just don't ship that. I guess our next release will
ship with GNOME 3.0, will have a newer KDE too, and other cool stuff as
usual - seeing the enthousiasm in the project lately (resulting in new
projects like Bretzn, Tumbleweed & Evergreen) I expect more :D

<snip other responses>

Please read the rest of the thread. We should go for 11.4 for exactly the
reasons you state.

*my last attempt to explain the (too long, esp during a meeting) discussion we
had on #opensuse-marketing

You said we had to make developers tell the marketing team what new features
were in their projects.

I told you we could try and some would answer (like GNOME and KDE teams) but
most wouldn't (kernel, Xorg). As is the case in most FOSS communities -
developers care mostly about code, marketing isn't that interesting. Something
I understand.

And I told you I tried it during my KDE marketing times, and got - well,
somewhere, but not to the point where the marketing team didn't have to spend
quite some time bothering developers again and again and reading changelogs to
find the major features.

You repeated that the world had to be like you wanted it to be. I repeated it

In short, I advocated realism based on earlier experiences. If you call that
bias and are now scared of the future of GNOME in openSUSE, by all means, be
scared. I doubt anything will change your mind.

BTW I have a strong suspicion that you either don't read other ppl's comments
at all OR choose to ignore random words in there. Otherwise I have no idea how
you could get to the point of worrying about GNOME vs KDE after the discussion
we had at marketing.
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