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Re: [opensuse-project] openFATE feature #307495: GNOME default
  • From: Karsten König <remur@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:39:21 +0200
  • Message-id: <200908240839.21957.remur@xxxxxxx>

This has been tried to cover extensivly in multiple tests (google it) and they
often come to different conclusions, but alot look reasonable, personal
feeling seems to play in here.

Anyways, the current point is the one on top is the most popular, kde is the
most popular in opensuse at this time, this can be reevaluated once there is
newer data. In case gnome manages to close the gap a new discussion sure will
breakout, maybe livecds will be more popular then so the issue might not be
that political anymore. But still, let's rest it for now, in broad daylight
not much changed for most regular opensuse users, there are other issues worth
spending time on =)


Am Montag, 24. August 2009 15:42:15 schrieb Jason Perlow:
What do we know about KDE 4.x's base memory and other resource
requirements compared to GNOME's?

Assuming we have two identical systems, both with 2GB of RAM and
identical dual core CPUs, which will perform better, KDE or GNOME? On
1GB of RAM with a single core?

Maybe you might want the installer to do that, and have it say why.
I've always felt that KDE 4 was much more resource intensive than a
default GNOME as it is implemented in distros like Ubuntu or even in
SLE/Opensuse. My own systems have a lot of memory and CPU horsepower
but not every end user will have a very powerful machine. Also laptops
will behave differently than desktops because of traditionally
underpowered CPUs and disk I/O.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier<jzb@xxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Jason Perlow<jperlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe I do think that users need a choice, and a default is required,
but whatever default that needs to be made needs to occur based on
empirical data. That's why I am suggesting statistics gathering as a
way to help you arrive at that decision, and to continue to inject
valuable data into the deicision making process.

I don't object to stats, at all :-) Love 'em. And would like to see
more accurate data. The decision we have now was made with the most
recent and accurate data we have at hand so far.

Is it as recent and accurate as I'd like? No. But I think that it's
reflective of the current user base we have. (i.e., I don't think
we've seen a massive shift away from KDE since 11.0.)

Until that data is collected and fully understood, I suggest that the
"delault" choice be generated at random on each installation, with the
first and second place positioning also generated at random.
Psychologically I am not sure what the behavior of the user will be if
KDE is always first on the list and GNOME is always second, regardless
of which one is selected by default.

Random was discussed, I think, but rejected as being difficult to
implement and also a nightmare to document. ("Now you may see the
desktop in figure 1 or the desktop in figure 2 depending on the luck
of the draw...")

I know people are very emotional and passionate about this issue, but
I really think we need to accept Michael's decision for the time being
as the discussion and time being spent on proposals and discussion of
this issue are far more distracting than just living with a default
for a release or two that may not reflect everyone's preference.


Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@xxxxxxxxxx>
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