Il giorno dom, 20/05/2007 alle 23.21 -0500, M Harris ha scritto:
Marketing, advocacy, current affairs, social dogma, (and even FUD), as it relates to Novell affects the entire suse community-- enterprise and other. So, as Rajko and I have been discussing there needs to be a list for the posting and discussion of these kinds of items... as they relate to the business offerings of Novell in general. You may not personally care about politics or policy (fud included), but it *is* important and it *does* need a home on the opensuse list server... what I am trying to do is to help figure out where and how to do that for the benefit of the community at large. I am a suse advocate and an avid supporter of Novell offerings... that makes me a valuable business partner. All Novell business partners should treat one another with respect and courtesy.
I don't agree. We don't need an advocacy list for a simple reason: it would become a FUD list in seconds, full of useless discussions like this one. Political discussions are too often a problem and a loss of time, which is really not worth to start them in most of the cases. It would be better to concentrate the efforts on actually helping the project instead of discussing of each word said or written by Novell, the FSF, whatever. I strongly believe the image of the project is deeply related to the quality of the product, which should be the first goal to achieve. The rest is additional stuff, which might help, but is not essential.
Ps Using terms like "go away," or "shut up," are only immature ways to irritate and alienate the opensuse client base, not to mention folks who might be new to linux in general.
I agree. However: * OpenSUSE is a community, not a client base. The difference should be evident to everyone speaking about open source. * These expressions were rarely, if ever, used as you report them. Only trolls and people spreading FUD were invited to stop, and not to "shout up". * It's also immature to keep an off-topic discussion on.
Why must so many people on this list server be so angry all the time?... and why must they be so rude?
Maybe because they're fed up of reading the same things repeated thousands of times? Maybe because these things are wrong and were clarified thousands of times? Just some hypotheses.
Its just not necessary, and its not appropriate. People assume that linux users are going to be geeks--- now they are going to assume that they must also necessarily be barbarians as well...
You're exaggerating. OpenSUSE community is definitely more friendly than a lot of others Linux communities. Maybe it's not perceived at the beginning, but just look around for a while and you will understand it. Try to ask a question on the appropriate mailing list, on the IRC channel or using Novell bugzilla. You will usually obtain an appropriate technical answer which solves your problem and you will be able to discuss of your issue directly with SUSE developers. I'm not going to say openSUSE community is perfect. But it doesn't match to your description of a place populated by barbarians. Regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org