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[opensuse-kubic] Weekly Kubic Project sync meeting minutes 2018-10-02
  • From: Rafael Fernández López <rfernandezlopez@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:49:07 +0200
  • Message-id: <20181002154907.GA4707@freedom>

Another week, another minutes. This time a very active one!

This time I did some manual work to order the conversations inside their main
topics, please answer here if I managed to do something wrong!

Meeting: Weekly Kubic Project sync meeting

Date: 2018-10-02 15:00:00 UTC

Location: IRC (, #kubic channel)

Attendees (alphabetically sorted):
* drpaneas
* ereslibre
* fvogt
* marekcounts
* mmeister
* Pharaoh_Atem
* sysrich
* vrothberg

Only attendees that interacted are recorded. This is an open meeting, so the
list of attendees could potentially be bigger.

* openqa for kubeadm testing (sysrich)
2018-10-02 17:00:22 sysrich I have 2 things on the go at the moment.
2018-10-02 17:00:27 sysrich First - Getting
ready for proper cluster testing is progressing well. This is involving
reinstalling all of the hardware and reconfiguring it to
use Leap 15 transactional servers. I'm about halfway there and I hope to have
this finished by the end of the week. then I will start setting things up for
cluster testing.
2018-10-02 17:00:42 sysrich I don't have the time to look at the
tests themselves in parralel, so we could do with help getting the openQA tests
ready for kubeadm cluster and upgrade testing. I think it might make sense to
sync with panos who (if he has any spare time) might already be looking at
getting the tests ready for when I have the infra ready. @drpaneas what do you
2018-10-02 17:04:48 sysrich drpaneas, we have a rough plan in the
trello card -
2018-10-02 17:06:44 marekcounts Ty Daines is interested in
getting into helping with upstream testing work. she might be interested in
helping make a kubeadm test, you could ask her.
2018-10-02 17:06:58 marekcounts if you all could use the help*
2018-10-02 17:08:52 sysrich marekcounts, yeah, how can we get in
touch with Ty?
2018-10-02 17:08:55 marekcounts this meeting? sure. i'll let
her know about it. I think it would be 8am for her. so she will not be happy
about it for sure!
2018-10-02 17:09:07 Pharaoh_Atem give her an hour and it should
be fine ;)
2018-10-02 17:09:22 Pharaoh_Atem 9am is usually much more
2018-10-02 17:10:16 mmeister Pharaoh_Atem: that's getting a
bit late for me :P but we'll figure it out
2018-10-02 17:10:25 marekcounts @sysrich you can hit her up in
e-mail for sure. and i'll try to get her to join this meeting next week.

* etcd-operator and v1alpha3 kubeadm api (ereslibre)
2018-10-02 17:02:29 ereslibre in the meanwhile, from my side:
I've been working with etcd-operator, but had many issues with our current
kubernetes desired version (1.11.2). I've switched to start checking the
v1alpha3 api of kubeadm that allows us to set multi-master clusters, and I'm
currently working on this and in an upstream issue on kubeadm
2018-10-02 17:03:01 sysrich ereslibre, ooh, interesting - did you
know you can use 1.12 from devel:kubic?
2018-10-02 17:04:45 ereslibre sysrich: that's nice :), I
tried to use kubeadm 1.12, but controller-manager is not yet up-to-date to
support it, and it still depends on 1.11
2018-10-02 17:05:19 sysrich ereslibre, awesome, thats something to
add to the list of 'things we need before we can upgrade 1.12 in factory' I
guess then?
2018-10-02 17:06:17 ereslibre sysrich: yes, I'd first need to
understand how the timing of these "external" projects work wrt the kubernetes
main version, I don't know if we should block the 1.12 because of that
2018-10-02 17:06:34 Pharaoh_Atem aren't they all version syncd?
2018-10-02 17:07:08 ereslibre Pharaoh_Atem: has nothing 1.12-related
yet, as far as I can tell
2018-10-02 17:07:29 Pharaoh_Atem hmm, I guess so
2018-10-02 17:07:33 sysrich ereslibre, might it be 1.12 compatible
out of the box?
2018-10-02 17:08:24 ereslibre sysrich: it might be, certainly
not at godep level... we have conflicting requirements and I get into a
dependency hell :(
2018-10-02 17:08:33 sysrich ereslibre, :-/

* Kubernetes 1.12 (sysrich)
2018-10-02 17:02:46 sysrich ok I guess @drpaneas is moving
on - Second - Kubernetes 1.12 is out, I already packaged it in devel:kubic and
basic manual "kubeadm init" and even "kubeadm upgrade" tests suggests things
are looking good. I know vrothberg is already contributing cri-o and cri-tools
1.12. Does anyone know if there is anything else needed before we can submit
them to Factory?
2018-10-02 17:02:49 drpaneas sysrich, I didn't find any time
to check this :/ Thigh might delay since I am quite occupied with the
on-boarding of the new team.
2018-10-02 17:03:29 sysrich drpaneas, thanks :) I guessed as much,
hence asking for help, we really could do with someone looking at those tests
while I'm fighting the hardware
2018-10-02 17:04:08 drpaneas sysrich, if someone is
interested to develop a test for kubeadm, should we collect a test-plan and
then convert this into openQA code?
2018-10-02 17:08:16 sysrich I've made a trello card so we can track
everything we need before we submit k8s 1.12 to Factory -

2018-10-02 17:07:54 marekcounts also. I have been working on
creating instructions for backing up and restoring our clusters. hopfully will
have that done in the next week or two.
2018-10-02 17:08:06 mmeister marekcounts: sounds good, is it
possible for Ty to join the meetings? not sure if that works timezone wise

* mmeister
2018-10-02 17:09:42 mmeister from my side, i have some more
time now as well to work again on kubic, i'll catch up with the trello board
and obviously if you need me somewhere feel free to ping me directly

* Testing kubic (drpaneas)
2018-10-02 17:11:21 drpaneas 1. I would like to be able to
use caasp-devenv for testing kubic purposes. Like quickly setup a cluster in
0-time and start playing with it. Does one knows if this is possible already?
or should I look into it?
2018-10-02 17:12:00 ereslibre drpaneas: I suggest you to try out; this is a place where we are
starting to put effort into
2018-10-02 17:12:26 mmeister drpaneas: caaspdevenv is
outdated regarding kubic, as we dropped velum and so on
2018-10-02 17:13:03 drpaneas mmeister, that's my point. I
would like to have a devenv that works for kubeadm. What do the other think?
2018-10-02 17:14:01 sysrich drpaneas, I think ereslibre's
suggestion is probably better - the goal of kubic-init is meant to be setting
up clusters in 0-time and start playing with it (or using in production one day)
2018-10-02 17:14:23 sysrich drpaneas, working on a seperate tool to
do an overlapping job with the new tool which is meant to be a key part of the
future Kubic & SUSE CaaSP story seems like more work than we need
2018-10-02 17:14:24 Pharaoh_Atem sysrich: perhaps I'm missing
something, but do we have disk images for kubic to use as VMs yet?
2018-10-02 17:14:41 Pharaoh_Atem or should I be using the ISO
and going through an install process?
2018-10-02 17:14:56 sysrich Pharaoh_Atem, unofficial images:
2018-10-02 17:15:02 Pharaoh_Atem cool
2018-10-02 17:15:07 Pharaoh_Atem that should help with my OKD
2018-10-02 17:16:00 drpaneas sysrich, alright I will look
into kubic-init then. Also, do have any plan to have official KVM images at
some point int time?
2018-10-02 17:16:47 sysrich drpaneas, one day, sure - there needs
to be a release process in Tumbleweed for VM images first..and I won't be
looking at that any time soon

* Raspberry images (drpaneas)
2018-10-02 17:17:33 drpaneas 2. My second question is about
RasPi images. Are there any plans for those yet or the only avail. ones are the
sysrich personal OBS project?
2018-10-02 17:18:09 sysrich drpaneas, I'll be deleting the ones in
my personal OBS project right now ;)
2018-10-02 17:18:17 sysrich drpaneas, but, there are equally
unofficial ones in
2018-10-02 17:18:37 sysrich the kubeadm ones will likely never work
- RPi3 is too low resourced - but the Pine64 ones have some home
2018-10-02 17:18:38 sysrich hope*
2018-10-02 17:18:57 drpaneas ok, thanks for your answer, I
am covered with mine topics. :)

* Vagrant kernel firmware in kubic images (fvogt)
2018-10-02 17:19:16 fvogt sysrich: I just noticed that vagrant
has "kernel-firmware" in kubic-images, is that intentional?
2018-10-02 17:20:26 sysrich fvogt, good question, best to ask
jan.farjerski at SUSE, he was the one who did the vagrant flavour
2018-10-02 17:20:36 sysrich fvogt, they want to use it as part of
whatever they're doing with Ceph I guess
2018-10-02 17:20:58 fvogt I'll do a sr and add him as reviewer
2018-10-02 17:21:18 sysrich danke

* Origin rebase from 3.9 to 3.10, Origin building in OBS, CRI-O by
default in Origin and Buildah adoption in OpenShift (Pharaoh_Atem)
2018-10-02 17:23:33 Pharaoh_Atem 1. I'm starting the work on
rebasing my origin package from 3.9 to 3.10 now, and this probably means some
adjustments to the kubernetes package might be needed to set up alternatives
for a couple of the binaries
2018-10-02 17:23:52 Pharaoh_Atem off the top of my head, kubectl
and hyperkube are provided by origin too
2018-10-02 17:24:37 Pharaoh_Atem 2. I've been having problems
actually building origin in OBS, as the environment seems to get exhausted
2018-10-02 17:24:51 Pharaoh_Atem is there something I can do to
make it so that it selects environments where it's buildable?
2018-10-02 17:24:58 sysrich Q to 1.kubectl and hyperkube - they
couldn't be fulfilled by pulling from the kubernetes package?
2018-10-02 17:25:27 Pharaoh_Atem sysrich: I am not sure, it's
something worth investigating, but they might be extended to support
OpenShift's additional functionality
2018-10-02 17:25:34 sysrich Pharaoh_Atem,
2018-10-02 17:26:28 Pharaoh_Atem also, I'm considering just
making OpenShift on Kubic default to CRI-O
2018-10-02 17:26:32 Pharaoh_Atem just as kubernetes does
2018-10-02 17:26:43 Pharaoh_Atem no reason not to, as OpenShift
supports it as well as k8s does
2018-10-02 17:26:47 sysrich awesome!
2018-10-02 17:27:23 Pharaoh_Atem and a bit of a heads-up,
OpenShift is going to change to use buildah for building containers in the near
future by default
2018-10-02 17:27:41 Pharaoh_Atem I think vrothberg has packaged
this already? Would this be available in the kubic distribution too?
2018-10-02 17:28:26 sysrich buildah's already in kubic/TW, yes
2018-10-02 17:28:46 Pharaoh_Atem cool
2018-10-02 17:28:49 vrothberg Yep, it's there :)
2018-10-02 17:28:53 Pharaoh_Atem excellent


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