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[openFATE 306007] Ship more vanilla
  • From: fate_noreply@xxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:26:39 +0000 (GMT)
  • Message-id: <feature-306007-16@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Feature changed by: Robert Davies (robopensuse)
Feature #306007, revision 16
Title: Ship more vanilla

openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19)
reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21
reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us.
Priority
Requester: Important

openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19)
reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13
reject reason: same reason as 11.1
Priority
Requester: Important

Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)

Description:
Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care
for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled
specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla
versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version.
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an
openSUSE branded one.
The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the
brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions
users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in
good dialog with upstream communities and friends and partners.

Discussion:
#1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32)
This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this.
More details at Bugzilla #482627

#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1)
Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.

#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3)
it's open now.

#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5)
Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this
Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused
by faulty patching of KDE.

#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
> Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an
openSUSE branded one.
This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding-
upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for
upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
> Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in
good dialog with upstream.
Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?

#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2)
I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other
distribution. Read more info at
http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding
Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *-
branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding
packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to
install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be
uninstalled.

#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35)
I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution
a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp,
openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue-
grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have
differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others,
install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give
each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include
the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation.
By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without
uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!


#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7)
Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the
Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!

#9: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-30 17:30:54) (reply to #8)
There exist bug reports about: bnc#490017 and bnc#490018

+ #10: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:26:43)
+ The reason I have stuck with oS, was because of the benefits shown in
+ 10.3, which were better integration of OOo and KDE themeing, including
+ the KDE4 Kickoff start menu.
+ This "feature" request would hamper Novell/openSUSE developer's who
+ work on GNOME, KDE & the kernel, who can introduce new features via
+ openSUSE and then respond to user feedback, and demonstrate real
+ usage.  That can make the difference, between acceptance of a new
+ feature in linux kernel for example, and rejection through lack of a
+ user base.
+ Thus the situation in 11.2 with branding, and options to use vanilla
+ versions of products is ideal.



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