Feature added by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Feature #306007, revision 1, last change by Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Feature changed by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) Feature #306007, revision 4 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
+ Discussion: + #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) + This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. + More details at Bugzilla #482627
Feature changed by: Stephan Binner (Beineri) Feature #306007, revision 5 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
+ #3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) + Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
+ #2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01) + > Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the + projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an + openSUSE branded one. + This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- + upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for + upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc. + > Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or + fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in + good dialog with upstream. + Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
Feature changed by: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) Feature #306007, revision 7 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
+ #5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) + it's open now.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
Feature changed by: Stephan Binner (Beineri) Feature #306007, revision 8 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
+ #6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) + Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this + Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused + by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
Feature changed by: William Simon Lewis (WilliamSimonLewis) Feature #306007, revision 9 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
+ #7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) + I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution + a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, + openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- + grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have + differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, + install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give + each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include + the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. + By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without + uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
Feature changed by: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) Feature #306007, revision 10 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
+ #8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) + Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the + Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
Feature changed by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Feature #306007, revision 11 Title: Ship more vanilla
- openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) + reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21 + reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us. Priority Requester: Important
- openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) + reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13 + reject reason: same reason as 11.1 Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
Feature changed by: Stephan Binner (Beineri) Feature #306007, revision 12 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21 reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us. Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13 reject reason: same reason as 11.1 Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
+ #9: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-30 17:30:54) (reply to #8) + There exist bug reports about: bnc#490017 and bnc#490018
Feature changed by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) Feature #306007, revision 15 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21 reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us. Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13 reject reason: same reason as 11.1 Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in - good dialog with upstream communities and friends. + good dialog with upstream communities and friends and partners.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
#9: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-30 17:30:54) (reply to #8) There exist bug reports about: bnc#490017 and bnc#490018
Feature changed by: Robert Davies (robopensuse) Feature #306007, revision 16 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21 reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us. Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13 reject reason: same reason as 11.1 Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream communities and friends and partners.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
#9: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-30 17:30:54) (reply to #8) There exist bug reports about: bnc#490017 and bnc#490018
+ #10: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:26:43) + The reason I have stuck with oS, was because of the benefits shown in + 10.3, which were better integration of OOo and KDE themeing, including + the KDE4 Kickoff start menu. + This "feature" request would hamper Novell/openSUSE developer's who + work on GNOME, KDE & the kernel, who can introduce new features via + openSUSE and then respond to user feedback, and demonstrate real + usage. That can make the difference, between acceptance of a new + feature in linux kernel for example, and rejection through lack of a + user base. + Thus the situation in 11.2 with branding, and options to use vanilla + versions of products is ideal.
Feature changed by: Todd R (TheBlackCat) Feature #306007, revision 17 Title: Ship more vanilla
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:44:21 reject reason: openSUSE branding is important for us. Priority Requester: Important
openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-03-30 15:46:13 reject reason: same reason as 11.1 Priority Requester: Important
Requested by: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag)
Description: Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream communities and friends and partners.
Discussion: #1: Klaas Freitag (kfreitag) (2009-03-05 23:19:32) This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and ignore this. More details at Bugzilla #482627
#3: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:29) (reply to #1) Bugzilla #482627 is not publicly visible.
#5: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2009-03-06 16:24:31) (reply to #3) it's open now.
#6: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 16:44:05) (reply to #5) Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.
#2: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-06 07:07:01)
Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the
projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one. This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding- upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.
Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or
fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream. Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?
#4: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-06 08:34:01) (reply to #2) I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *- branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.
+ #11: Todd R (theblackcat) (2009-12-12 02:33:35) (reply to #4) + Except don't use KDM-branding-upstream, which results in an extremely + ugly login manager that you can't change through the normal interface.
#7: William Simon Lewis (williamsimonlewis) (2009-03-06 18:13:35) I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue- grey. If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding. Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation. By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!
#8: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-03-07 16:35:17) (reply to #7) Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!
#9: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-03-30 17:30:54) (reply to #8) There exist bug reports about: bnc#490017 and bnc#490018
#10: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:26:43) The reason I have stuck with oS, was because of the benefits shown in 10.3, which were better integration of OOo and KDE themeing, including the KDE4 Kickoff start menu. This "feature" request would hamper Novell/openSUSE developer's who work on GNOME, KDE & the kernel, who can introduce new features via openSUSE and then respond to user feedback, and demonstrate real usage. That can make the difference, between acceptance of a new feature in linux kernel for example, and rejection through lack of a user base. Thus the situation in 11.2 with branding, and options to use vanilla versions of products is ideal.
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