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[openFATE 307496] return to having no default desktop environment
  • From: fate_noreply@xxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:20:28 +0100 (CET)
  • Message-id: <feature-307496-12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Feature changed by: Robert Davies (robopensuse)
Feature #307496, revision 12
Title: return to having no default desktop environment

openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19)
reject date: 2009-08-24 12:07:53
reject reason: we shouldn't discuss things endless
Priority
Requester: Important

Requested by: Christian Jäger (eet)

Description:
The recent decision that openSUSE needs a default desktop environment
must be reverted.
* This decision has lead to frictions between the openSUSE sub-
communities of GNOME and KDE users which might ultimately result in a
drain of supporters of one of these sub-communities to a different
distribution.
* A default choice during installation gives the wrong impression that
even now openSUSE chiefly supports the defaulted desktop environment
while the other one is to be used 'at one's own risk'
* This decision has acutely affected openSUSE's position as the only
distribution which credibly supports both desktop environment
* The gains to be had through a 'default desktop environment' are minor
to zero, the potential loss and damage to community caused by it is
catastrophic


Discussion:
#1: Sankar P (psankar) (2009-08-24 10:27:26)
I fully support this scenario.
But a minority of community memebrs assuming that their biased opinion
is what is liked by the user is wrong. The current decision to have KDE
as default will drive away a lot of distro-neutral Gnome people from
giving away openSUSE DVDs for linux talks. etc.
However, enough time has been wasted in all these discussions that I
feel no use in prolonging this thread any further, if the decision is
immutable.

#2: David Hodgson (jetojedno) (2009-08-24 11:51:59)
The default benefits the new users, and doesn't harm anyone else.  Why
should this decision be revisited?

#3: Christian Jäger (eet) (2009-08-24 12:19:45)
Note that this is a request for 11.3, not for 11.2 which has been
decided to default to KDE.
 
So, I don't understand that this feature request should be rejected.

#4: Tomi Justen (letkume) (2009-08-24 15:47:02)
The choises are:
1. Credible and professional well supported KDE distro
2. Just anothet newbie Gnome distro
3. Scattered not-so-well supported blob of everything

#5: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-08-25 02:20:24)
The best application is criteria that should be followed, not the
desktop.  I'm against  going back to "no preselection", as it is
directly opposite to being helpful to new users.   The majority
of distros that I ever installed makes this particular decision without
asking user and without giving a chance to install another desktop. Why
is it a problem when openSUSE goes from layout that can be perceived as
yet another problem by many new users, to layout that gives some
guidance? 
Besides the guidance/default is defined as what majority of openSUSE
users is using, so it can change in the future without lenghty
discussions. 

#6: jimbo bigcreed (dimble_thricefoon) (2009-08-25 17:41:29)
we need a default, but i fully support choosing whatever DE happens to
be the most popular for each release of opensuse.

#7: Markus K (kamikazow) (2009-08-28 18:25:08)
The decision to make KDE default was a democratic one. Your other
request https://features.opensuse.org/307495 shows that you just hate
KDE. If you realy hate KDE that much and think that Ubuntu is the
poster child anyway, just go to Ubuntu.

#8: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2009-08-28 19:28:29) (reply to #7)
the only decision that was made was to preselect a radio button.  If
you really want to contribute to something instead of trolling these
features why don't you join the #opensuse-kde on irc and contribute
their instead of with your mouth.  If you are, I'm sure they have some
other things you can be better using your time with instead of telling
people to leave the openSUSE community.

+ #9: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:20:05)
+ Duplicates effectively another Fate request of GNOME fan, with nose put
+ out of joint.  The default Desktop is a pre-selection and is convenient
+ for the majority of openSUSE users.
+ All the software is used "at own risk", even in commerical OS
+ environments like Windows and Mac OS X, so choosing an option implies
+ nothing.
+ Pre-selecting KDE  has not harmed GNOME implementation at all, and
+ indeed the new theme has been reviewed and widely reported.
+ The potential loss to community is only if one of the requester's
+ minority wishes were successful and implemented, to the annoyance and
+ detriment of the majority of oS users!



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