Richard Brown wrote:
<joke>
Who are you and what did you do to Carlos?
The real Carlos would never advocate for embracing current realities at the expense of old tropes
</joke>
*veg*
Personally, I do not agree with your assertion that installation media as a replacement for 'not needing network at install time'.
For my case it clearly is. One of my homes has a 6Mbit connection. You do not want to install from net there. I even don't do larger updates via net there. If I have a fast net I almost always use netinstall...
Our repos have always held many more GB of packages beyond that which we ever could fit on the DVD. You'd need over 50GB to have a portable copy of the repos to install everything without network, 8GB would be no where near enough.
29G distribution/leap/42.3 36G update/leap/42.3 I'm having an rsync copy of it on our server, and guess what I do? I rsync that to a portable SSD and use it to update the machine at the 'slow' place :D In any case I have never (AFAIR) used the DVD/USB image of the installer after the installation.
That said, I also cannot accept your earlier statement that "Nobody uses DVD today".
I think the last one I had a real DVD of was 12.3, at that time we had some systems that wouldn't boot properly from USB sticks. But I wouldn't call me representative.
We have our friends at Open Source Press making and selling Leap DVD box sets. We have thousands of DVD's a year which we give away at conferences worldwide.
Both of those use cases require a 4.1GB DVD image.
What about the idea of an (optional) second image/DVD, with the 'missing' stuff? Isn't it that once the install is running the DVD is not really needed? So the installer could first install everything from the boot DVD, then ask for a switch, and pull the rest from the other one. Would probably need some fake repo info on the first one, so you can already select what you want during setup.
Plus plenty of newcomers to openSUSE already see that 4.1GB as way more than they expect to download.
Really? If I look at games nowaday.....
This is a particular concern in countries without pervasive bandwidth.
This is well an important point, I agree.
And yet, creating a 3rd flavour of image, would need a significant amount of build time/power, and significant amount of testing required.
personal view: That power would be better invested somewhere else? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org