Are you implying that non-power users would not click a button to change the default desktop? If so, then I would suggest that the default DE be made Gnome which is far more user-friendly to new users - and power-users can click the button for KDE.
And me and others assert that KDE Plasma is actually more new-user-friendly than GNOME.
It was naive of me to suggest such. Apologies.
In this discussion, like in quite a few others, I feel like this distro and community has a major identity crisis. It's swimming around somewhere without really knowing what it should or wants to be and how/why that makes it stand out from the rest and a good choice when compared to the actually big distros of nowadays (ubuntu, ubtuntu, ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Mint, others?).
I'm getting this feeling also. Maybe it should be discussed at some point in the future.
Don't get me wrong, I think OBS is really awesome, Tumbleweed is the only really working pretty-stable rolling distro I know of, Leap is a good choice even on my servers, TW is even nice to use on Raspberry Pi for example, and I prefer the nice and collected admin tools of YaST 2 to most commandline administration options (even though I'm sad every time I update TW because there's no equivalent to "zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change" in YaST that I can click through).
Totally agree here. YaST is one of the reasons I often recommend openSUSE, along with OBS and openQA, plus the ease of contributing. openSUSE TW is the only distro I've managed to stay on consistently for more than 3 years (and still counting). So... Regarding the desktop selection process, I've spotted a few suggestions in other mails to this topic; - No Default - Do not change the ordering of the choices (this could spark another "war") - Provide guides in the install process which users can click on. I like the above. In fact this could give openSUSE an edge as the first distro to provide a full offline installation medium with guides to desktop selection provided within the installer. The guides could be a button next to each selection [Details], which brings up a window of clickables that shows such things as; - what a clean default Desktop looks like, along with description of capabilities and/or highlights. + A list of the main default applications, each of which can be clicked, eg, as below. - what the default browser, office suite, and pdf viewer are plus concise descriptions of capabilities, - the default music player, video player, and perhaps image viewer are, along with concise details as above. So basically highlight the main points of each default install selection for each desktop. It seems that if we cover the main applications and use cases in the suggested installer addition, then we could easily let new users decide what they might be comfortable with trying. Would it be worth discussing the above in a new thread perhaps? Kind regards, Luke Jones. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org